MoneyBox - LBHF at it again |
MoneyBox - LBHF at it again |
Tue, 14 Jan 2020 - 16:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 12 Nov 2019 Member No.: 106,594 |
Hi All,
Bit of a weird one. Some of you may have seen this article in the press: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-78...er-drivers.html Residents of the area, of which I am one, are fuming as the congestion is a nightmare because of the recent closure, we are effectively trapped by the new closure and the old one at the Imperial Wharf luxury development. A local campaign with over 2000 signatories is raising awareness and inform that the closure went ahead with less than 50% approval. In the meantime, the council are making a small fortune from the fines residents falling into their trap are having to pay. Additionally there is a huge development of flats going up on the closed street which I suspect may have something to do with the decision, though there is of course no proof. Our MP has raised the issue in Parliament but the council are not responding to anyone. I was just wondering whether anyone could think of an angle or strategy to get this overturned or at least to help residents falling into the LBHF trap MoneyBoy not pay towards the LBHF fundraiser? I have not been caught so far as usually on a bike but only a matter of time as it is pretty much inevitable to be caught out. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Migs1906 This post has been edited by Migs1906: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 - 17:42 |
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Tue, 14 Jan 2020 - 17:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,280 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
You either do or don't have a PCN yourself.
If the latter then I suggest you advise moderators and this will be moved to the 'Flame Pit; for general discussions. -------------------- |
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Tue, 14 Jan 2020 - 17:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 12 Nov 2019 Member No.: 106,594 |
No PCN myself, apologies if in the wrong section.
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Tue, 14 Jan 2020 - 17:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,280 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
No PCN myself, apologies if in the wrong section. That's ok. I've reported to Mods with the suggestion they might want to move it. We deal with PCNs received in this section but, while I might not agree with you, we should perhaps spend more time debating the plethora of new restrictions being imposed. -------------------- |
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Tue, 14 Jan 2020 - 17:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 12 Nov 2019 Member No.: 106,594 |
Which part do you not agree with?
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Tue, 14 Jan 2020 - 18:14
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
I was just wondering whether anyone could think of an angle or strategy to get this overturned or at least to help residents falling into the LBHF trap MoneyBoy not pay towards the LBHF fundraiser? Stop voting labour? In the meantime, have you spoken to your local councillor? -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 14 Jan 2020 - 18:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 12 Nov 2019 Member No.: 106,594 |
Have tried, initially got a response redirecting queries to a council cabinet member who is not responding on this subject.
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Wed, 15 Jan 2020 - 10:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 12 Nov 2019 Member No.: 106,594 |
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Wed, 15 Jan 2020 - 13:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: 29 Jul 2019 Member No.: 104,999 |
It's simple, labour hate cars. Look at Birmingham city center, they want to ban cars period! Even Sadiq Khan is trying his best with his Central London, and let's not forget when Red Ken made the congestion charge huge in Central London which thankfully Boris Johnson reversed. Oh and the lovely Prescott bus lane on the M4 into London that got reversed under a Conservative govt as well!
It's almost getting to the point where people who take the bus will vote labour, while people who love cars vote conservative! This post has been edited by speedfighter23: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 - 13:30 -------------------- Police Speeding Fines - Police 1 - speedfighter23 0
TFL traffic contraventions 0 - speedfighter23 2 Kensington and Chelsea 0 parking contraventions - speedfighter23 1 Brighton and Hove parking 0 - speedfighter23 1 Private PCN - Private Parking Solutions Limited 0 - speedfighter23 1 Tyre Puncture Pothole Claims: 0 Buckinghamshire Council - speedfighter23 1 0 TFL - speedfighter23 1 Result Pending: 1 Islington Council tyre puncture claim |
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Wed, 15 Jan 2020 - 17:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 763 Joined: 16 Jun 2010 From: sw11 Member No.: 38,303 |
The real problem is that the Chelsea Harbour road is a private road ... not sure what the OP is referring to regarding Imperial Wharf as that has nothing to do with it?
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Thu, 16 Jan 2020 - 12:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 12 Nov 2019 Member No.: 106,594 |
Chelsea Harbour road was made private when they developed all the luxury apartments at Imperial Wharf. There are only 2 eastward routes out of South Fulham (south of New Kings Road) and following the closure of Harwood Terrace they are now both closed. As a result congestion has become a nightmare and to top it off the council are cashing in on our misery with the junction trap which has become a lot worse since people have to wait many many traffic light cycles to get accross. Its not even just car lovers, the buses are suffering a lot more delays. All in all this policy of just closing roads to appease cyclist and greenwashers is causing a lot of harm. We live under the Heathrow Flight patch and are meant to believe that closing a street will somehow improve air quality. Not sure what, if anything, can be done. |
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Thu, 16 Jan 2020 - 12:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 763 Joined: 16 Jun 2010 From: sw11 Member No.: 38,303 |
Harbour Avenue has been a private road for a lot longer than Imperial Wharf has existed ... it was a private road before they even built Chelsea Harbour (but moved as part of that development).
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Thu, 16 Jan 2020 - 21:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,280 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
Red Ken made the congestion charge huge in Central London which thankfully Boris Johnson reversed. - and later said - "Boris Johnson today warned that the congestion charge must be raised or changed to combat growing traffic gridlock." But don't let facts get in the way. We see no difference here in enforcement based on party lines. -------------------- |
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Thu, 16 Jan 2020 - 21:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,280 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
Which part do you not agree with? Most of the Bagleys Lane contraventions we see here are simply driver impatience and selfishness. I suspect most of them are not local, unlike yourself. New Kings Rd cannot accommodate the volume; there are simply too many cars using the route, too many in general and way too much single occupancy driving. If people choose to commute to work by car then they just need a bit more patience. Although you haven't directly said it, your only solution seems to be to re-open rat-runs, to the detriment of residents. -------------------- |
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Thu, 16 Jan 2020 - 22:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 277 Joined: 29 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,755 |
i note that in the DM drawing that it claims those travelling along to top of the 'T; are getting letters, whilst those entering and stopping in the box when approaching from the bottom of the T
Yet if i read the HC correctly it says You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right So why are those coming up the leg of the T not getting pulled? Surely the council are not missing a trick here? or is the DM getting it all wrong as to who is getting ticketed? Just needs one driver wanting to turn right not to enter the box until his exit is clear would make the camera operator blow a gasket! |
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Fri, 17 Jan 2020 - 08:46
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Webmaster Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,205 Joined: 30 Mar 2003 From: Wokingham, UK Member No.: 2 |
or is the DM getting it all wrong as to who is getting ticketed? I think you're answering your own question there. -------------------- Regards,
Fredd __________________________________________________________________________
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Fri, 17 Jan 2020 - 11:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 12 Nov 2019 Member No.: 106,594 |
Which part do you not agree with? Most of the Bagleys Lane contraventions we see here are simply driver impatience and selfishness. I suspect most of them are not local, unlike yourself. New Kings Rd cannot accommodate the volume; there are simply too many cars using the route, too many in general and way too much single occupancy driving. If people choose to commute to work by car then they just need a bit more patience. Although you haven't directly said it, your only solution seems to be to re-open rat-runs, to the detriment of residents. I think impatience and selfishness are a consequence of people having to wait 10+ traffic light cycles, frustration is inevitable. I had someone run over my foot at the junction a couple of weeks back when on my bike due to this frustration I have no doubt. Unfortunately it is unjustifiable but also inevitable and the council shouldn't make these decisions without considering the impact. I'm not sure it is single occupancy driving that is the cause of congestion, I would be interested to see the stats. I ride along NKR daily to work and back and I would say most of the traffic I pass is: commercial (vans, lorries, etc), buses, cabs (ubers, addison lee, black cabs etc). I for one wouldn't dream of driving to work and must say I don't know any of my neighbours that do, where would you park and how much would it cost?! I don't think it is a rat-run at all, it was an access route to Sands End. If people were using it to try and rat run around a junction then there must be another solution that doesn't block in residents. All the closure has done is move the congestion elsewhere, not enough people drive in London for pleasure to just stop their journey when a road is closed. I really don't see how closing roads helps congestion, the same as long waiting times at the GP are not solved by closing the surgery, the waiting times go away but i wouldn't consider it a solution, it just moves the problem somewhere else. This post has been edited by Migs1906: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 - 11:57 |
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Sat, 18 Jan 2020 - 23:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Have tried, initially got a response redirecting queries to a council cabinet member who is not responding on this subject. So go back to your local Councillor, or find out when he holds surgeries. Maybe see if a few residents can come along with you. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 19 Jan 2020 - 10:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 972 Joined: 9 Oct 2016 Member No.: 87,665 |
I for one wouldn't dream of driving to work and must say I don't know any of my neighbours that do, where would you park and how much would it cost?! Well obviously people who live in central London, a short distance from a tube station (not to mention other public transport and cycling options), aren’t going to drive to work if they work in London. I think you need to accept that the vast majority of people driving in the city on a daily basis don’t have the luxury of living there. |
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Sun, 19 Jan 2020 - 17:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,634 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
I for one wouldn't dream of driving to work and must say I don't know any of my neighbours that do, where would you park and how much would it cost?! Every day, so do my neighbours, the parking space outside my office, parking is free. -------------------- Moderator
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