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Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 08:11
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/31/motorists-should-penalised-going-just-1mph-speed-limit-britains/

Highlights
Motorists should be penalised for going just 1mph over the speed limit, Britain’s road policing chief has said as he called for the 10 per cent buffer zone to be scrapped

Speed awareness courses were being overused

However Tory MP Sir Greg Knight criticised the zero tolerance approach as he told the paper it would “make criminals of good drivers”.

For the over dramatized version
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5332443/Police-chief-demands-end-soft-treatment-speeding.html

Posted by: samthecat Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 08:38
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A whole Mph over the limit, outrageous!

The Police need more accurate equipment to detect the sneaky buggers going 30.1mph.

Posted by: Jlc Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 08:40
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I think the real story is a Tory MP saying something popular. ninja.gif

Posted by: Richy320 Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:08
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From said article

'Let's change the message – we are proud to be law enforcers,' he said. 'I do not want the public to be surprised, I want them to be embarrassed when they get caught... They need to understand the law is set at the limit for a reason. They should not come whinging to us about getting caught.

Yes, fuel saving in 1965 when few cars could go that fast. How very relevant. Maybe we should require taxi drivers to carry a bale of hay again!

If speed limits were more relevant to motoring today then just maybe they might be respected a bit more.

How about if "smart motorways" (oxymoron I know) flexed the speed limit UP to 80 or 90 as well as down?

Posted by: Jlc Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:21
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Raising certain limits along with tighter enforcement would be more sensible. 'Zero tolerance' is counterproductive indeed.

Posted by: Redivi Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:33
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I attended a council meeting where the police opposed the introduction of a 30 mph limit at the entrance to the village but it's still one of the most common sites for their camera van

Posted by: ConfusedDaze Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:37
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News articles today about enforcing the limit exactly;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/31/drivers-should-be-punished-for-going-3mph-over-limit-police-chief

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/speeding-ticket-at-31mph-wont-work/

Thoughts?

Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:39
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On the other hand my county council introduced a raft of 50mph limits even though the Police stated they had no resource to police the lower limit (that said a traffic survey had showed that on at least one of those roads most drivers were doing between 50 and 60, and probably less than 5% over the 57 threshold for prosecution anyway).

Posted by: cp8759 Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:49
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The supreme court has already made orbiter comments that the appropriate sentence for 31 in a 30 is an absolute discharge, plus there's no home office type approved device that is accurate enough. It's a non-story.

Posted by: Northern Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 15:51
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I fail to see how making everyone concentrate on watching their speedometer, when it would be better to concentrate on the road ahead.
What a numpty!

Posted by: Jlc Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 16:33
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QUOTE (Northern @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 15:51) *
I fail to see how making everyone concentrate on watching their speedometer, when it would be better to concentrate on the road ahead.
What a numpty!

I don't always buy that excuse of having to watch the speedo (under todays enforcement regime) but I actually do agree for 1mph margins that the enforcement may be counterproductive.

Posted by: Tartarus Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 17:50
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:33) *
I attended a council meeting where the police opposed the introduction of a 30 mph limit at the entrance to the village but it's still one of the most common sites for their camera van

What's the actual speed limit there then?

Posted by: Northern Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 18:20
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QUOTE
I fail to see how making everyone concentrate on watching their speedometer, when it would be better to concentrate on the road ahead.
What a numpty!


QUOTE
I don't always buy that excuse of having to watch the speedo (under todays enforcement regime) but I actually do agree for 1mph margins that the enforcement may be counterproductive.

That's quite alright, I'm not selling it.
it's just an opinion.

Posted by: Redivi Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 18:44
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QUOTE (Tartarus @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 17:50) *
QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:33) *
I attended a council meeting where the police opposed the introduction of a 30 mph limit at the entrance to the village but it's still one of the most common sites for their camera van

What's the actual speed limit there then?

It was reduced to 30 mph
The police wanted 40 mph

Since that time the 350m dead straight stretch of road has had three fatal accidents
Two of them were cars that the police were chasing and hit the same tree



Posted by: jdh Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 19:34
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The 40 limit outside my house was dropped to 30 with as far as I can tell no consultation, the police said they didn't support the reduction in limit but the council dropped it anyway. The police then said they wouldn't alter their approach to enforcement on it and that it wasn't a location their camera van monitored so all was well and good, the limit abiders stuck to the new 30, the force-of-habit-ers stuck to 40 and the boy racers carried on at warp factor whatever. A lot of people didn't notice the limit drop as the old 40 signs were removed and the 40 roundel on the road resurfaced so it was 30 by default due to the streetlamps. Eventually the council stuck up a tiny "new limit in force" sign on a pole half hidden behind another one.
Finally someone kicked up a stink that it wasn't being monitored so it was impossible to tell if the new limit was working so now the camera van is a weekly visitor, it parks in a layby with open fields behind it and the entrance to an industrial estate opposite, it doesn't get much trade as heading in to town you go past it and coming out of town the chances are the head of the queue is about to turn into the industrial estate so slowing down as they come into sight anyway.

Posted by: Ocelot Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 19:50
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Setting the threshold at 31 in a 30 could make someone doing 30 or less liable for prosecution, as LTI 20-20s, for instance, aren't exactly known for being perfectly accurate.

Posted by: Ocelot Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 20:02
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Anyone notice the inaccuracy in the DM report (31-35 being currently no action)?

Posted by: Fredd Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 20:04
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QUOTE (Ocelot @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 20:02) *
Anyone notice the inaccuracy in the DM report

Life's too short to spend it doing that.

Posted by: The Rookie Thu, 1 Feb 2018 - 07:11
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And explaining its up to 34.99 is likely to create confusion anyway!

I’d say putting 35 would be ‘less wrong’ than putting 34, although then you have to explain that someone doing 35.99 would still be classed as 35 but still be prosecuted.

Posted by: andy_foster Thu, 1 Feb 2018 - 19:10
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Remind me, which approved speed detection devices are rated as accurate to +/- 0.01mph?

Posted by: The Rookie Thu, 1 Feb 2018 - 20:10
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Poor wording, I meant detected speed......

Posted by: Churchmouse Sat, 3 Feb 2018 - 18:08
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:49) *
The supreme court has already made orbiter comments that the appropriate sentence for 31 in a 30 is an absolute discharge...

So they were circling around the point, then? happy.gif

--Churchmouse

Posted by: The Rookie Sat, 3 Feb 2018 - 18:19
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Well no, it means it wasn’t relevant to the appeal finding.

Posted by: Katkitty Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 19:04
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So does the his override the 10%+2 guidelines then? Pardon my question but this story is flying around Facebook and now work.
Is it feasible for the authorities to send out NIP’s for 71 on the motorway? Also the motorway will be lit like bonfire night with all the flashing! Surely that would be a case itself due to the distraction?

Posted by: andy_foster Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 19:12
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QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Sat, 3 Feb 2018 - 18:08) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:49) *
The supreme court has already made orbiter comments that the appropriate sentence for 31 in a 30 is an absolute discharge...

So they were circling around the point, then? happy.gif



QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sat, 3 Feb 2018 - 18:19) *
Well no, it means it wasn’t relevant to the appeal finding.


*Whoosh*

That would be obiter. Other than the fact that there is only one "r" in "obiter", the clue was in the smiley.

Posted by: andy_foster Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 19:22
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QUOTE (Katkitty @ Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 19:04) *
So does the his override the 10%+2 guidelines then?


Some nutjob (who is unfortunately in a position of far greater power and influence than befits his mental state) has made a suggestion. Mere suggestions do not themselves over-ride guidelines, but can sometimes lead to guidelines being changed.

QUOTE
Pardon my question but this story is flying around Facebook and now work.


The story flying around facebook is mainly about smart motorway cameras operating when there is no variable limit - IOW enforcing the national speed limit. There is no reason to believe that this will be done below the 'ACPO' guidelines threshold speeds. Somewhat unusually for a story doing the rounds on facebook, it seems likely that the rest of it might well be substantially true.

Posted by: The Rookie Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 19:51
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Hadn’t spotted that auto correct....I do know how to spell obiter....

Posted by: The Slithy Tove Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 20:46
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Did anyone ask "Britain’s road policing chief" why it's in the public interest to prosecute people doing 71 in a 70, just because it's conveniently easy to detect, whereas all those people on their phones, texting, watching YouTube, or doing their make-up, reading a book, etc., will continue to get away with it 99% of the time, because it actually takes a bit of effort to enforce?

Posted by: andy_foster Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 20:51
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 19:51) *
Hadn’t spotted that auto correct....I do know how to spell obiter....


It wasn't your post though - unless you are using more than one account.

Posted by: The Rookie Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 05:47
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It wasn’t lol, but I did recently post similar so assumed it was.....

Posted by: Foxy01 Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 19:15
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With the just over the horizon driverless car revolution, perhaps there is a sudden urgency to chase diminshing returns.

Posted by: Fredd Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 20:11
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QUOTE (Foxy01 @ Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 19:15) *
With the just over the horizon driverless car revolution

That'll be the horizon just beyond too-cheap-to-meter electricity, economical fusion power, and peace on Earth and goodwill to all men, presumably.

Posted by: andy_foster Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 22:38
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And don't forget flying cars!

Posted by: SatNavSam Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 23:25
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QUOTE (andy_foster @ Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 22:38) *
And don't forget flying cars!


They would the ones chased by the flying pigs? cool.gif

Posted by: Redivi Tue, 6 Feb 2018 - 10:52
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QUOTE (Foxy01 @ Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 19:15) *
With the just over the horizon driverless car revolution, perhaps there is a sudden urgency to chase diminishing returns.

Google driverless cars are programmed to exceed the speed limit by up to 10 mph because it's safer than going more slowly than the rest of the traffic until all cars are driverless with the same limit

https://gizmodo.com/googles-autonomous-car-is-programmed-to-speed-because-i-1624025227

Raises a question - speed limits take account of all levels of driving ability
If all cars are under the control of a "driver" that doesn't get tired, irritable or make mistakes, should they eventually be raised ?

Posted by: Jlc Tue, 6 Feb 2018 - 11:06
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Tue, 6 Feb 2018 - 10:52) *
...should they eventually be raised ?

It might be more of a question of emissions and efficiency? (Even for electric cars)

Posted by: Redivi Tue, 6 Feb 2018 - 11:12
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Very true

If the speeds of cars are better matched and practices like middle lane hogging and random lane switching are prevented, it will eliminate the rolling traffic jams that create delays

A to B times will be reduced even if speed limits aren't raised

Posted by: Redivi Sun, 19 Aug 2018 - 12:49
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Another Chief Constable (supported by BRAKE) that wants to do away with the + 10% + 2 mph guidelines and enforce 1 mph over the limit

Cannot help thinking that this will increase accidents if drivers are obsessed with their speedometers rather than watching the road

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6074775/Motorists-fined-100-going-just-1MPH-speed-limit-new-police-plan.html

Posted by: DancingDad Sun, 19 Aug 2018 - 13:03
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Ridiculous.
My speedo is not accurate enough.
Even without going into allowable deviation, it has got a needle on a relatively small scale.
I can tell if I am doing about 30 or about 70 but no more then that.
And if stopped for 31 I would be most dischuffed.

As for comments like "15% of fatal accidents were due to speed" round spherical things !!!
Yes, an accident at speed will kill but are we talking of accidents around the speed limit where one mile an hour will make little difference or accidents where speed was seriously over?
It makes a major difference.
If I take a corner at 35mph in a 30 limit chances are I will go round it with ease.
Same cannot be said if I take the same corner at 60.

Simply sound bites for something that would be unenforceable and simply further alienate the public.

Posted by: Fredd Sun, 19 Aug 2018 - 13:24
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Sun, 19 Aug 2018 - 13:49) *
Another Chief Constable (supported by BRAKE) that wants to do away with the + 10% + 2 mph guidelines and enforce 1 mph over the limit

No, it's the same twit who spouted this clickbait BS back in January.

I can only assume that West Mercia has no serious crime issues whatsoever if he has the time spare to devote himself to this kind of nonsense. Incidentally https://www.police.uk/west-mercia/team/deputy-chief-constable-anthony-bangham/.

Posted by: The Rookie Mon, 20 Aug 2018 - 08:50
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The +10% +2mph is a blunt instrument, it may be controversial on here but the impact of that extra 2mph in a 30mph limit on a pedestrian is quite significant, if its a 60 limit the pedestrian would probably be dead anyway (yes assuming they are hit at the travelling speed with no braking).

Of course we would never get an increased tolerance elsewhere to compensate, but if I were i favour of any reduction it would be for a 30 limit (ironically a 20 is low enough that small changes have little meaningful impact on survivability or chances of life changing injures). Maybe also invest some money back into education (Tufty club, Green Cross code/man, Charlie says etc.etc.) so kids aren't running into roads in the first place!

Posted by: ex-216 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 - 16:14
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Actually, I think there are two places this should apply now. Pulls on heavy metal shield to deflect the expected incoming flak.

Outside schools. I live in rural Yorkshire and a small village at that. We have a 20mph limit running along the area of the local school and nursery.
The amount of speeding drivers, and you can tell they are getting a shift on is a lot. I can only imagine what it would be like in an inner city.

The other is on motorways when the work force is present in road work areas. When driving at 50mph, the car is going to traveling at 45-47mph. Given that most speedometers over read, to average 51mph (if its a 50mph zone) the car, in most cases, will be doing a indicated 55. The driver will obviously be able to spot this by the amount of cars their passing.

Posted by: typefish Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 08:06
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QUOTE (ex-216 @ Tue, 21 Aug 2018 - 17:14) *
Outside schools. I live in rural Yorkshire and a small village at that. We have a 20mph limit running along the area of the local school and nursery.


What about the other 90% of the time (4 hours a day for 195 days) when there is necessarily no need for a 20mph restriction at a school

Posted by: I am Weasel Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 10:33
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QUOTE (typefish @ Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 09:06) *
QUOTE (ex-216 @ Tue, 21 Aug 2018 - 17:14) *
Outside schools. I live in rural Yorkshire and a small village at that. We have a 20mph limit running along the area of the local school and nursery.


What about the other 90% of the time (4 hours a day for 195 days) when there is necessarily no need for a 20mph restriction at a school


In my locality, the 20mph zones around schools are active only when the amber lights surrounding the 20-sign are flashing


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4203592,-0.8835177,3a,75y,344.03h,102.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swxRBdXn4RSUw4wGLXkG-ZA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 11:54
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QUOTE (I am Weasel @ Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 11:33) *
In my locality, the 20mph zones around schools are active only when the amber lights surrounding the 20-sign are flashing


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4203592,-0.8835177,3a,75y,344.03h,102.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swxRBdXn4RSUw4wGLXkG-ZA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The very sensible approach.....

Posted by: DancingDad Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 12:05
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QUOTE (typefish @ Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 09:06) *
QUOTE (ex-216 @ Tue, 21 Aug 2018 - 17:14) *
Outside schools. I live in rural Yorkshire and a small village at that. We have a 20mph limit running along the area of the local school and nursery.


What about the other 90% of the time (4 hours a day for 195 days) when there is necessarily no need for a 20mph restriction at a school



Done exactly that at more then one local school to me.
Permanent 20mph zones, 24/7/365 days, complete with speed bumps.

To protect the little darlins who are only wandering about 2 hours a day, 5 days a week, termtime.
Admittedly one is a rat run where the old 30 limit was not respected but even so.


Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 15:22
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 13:05) *
Admittedly one is a rat run where the old 30 limit was not respected but even so.

By rat run, I presume you mean 'road'?

We all use the most sensible 'road' for a journey, no-one goes out of their way to sit in an avoidable traffic queue OR drive down an otherwise quiet road needlessly.

If the 30 limit wasn't respected why not enforce that, lowering the limit to 20 without enforcement will achieve two parts of nothing except perhaps for the first month.

Posted by: DancingDad Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 17:10
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 16:22) *
......….If the 30 limit wasn't respected why not enforce that, lowering the limit to 20 without enforcement will achieve two parts of nothing except perhaps for the first month.

Don't ask me rolleyes.gif
The speedbumps have probably reduced the average speed to 30 except for cars without the wheelbase to straddle them, they are at about 15 and still bounce biggrin.gif


But it is a good question re why not enforce.
To me it makes far more sense to stick a camera on a road with a school on it, especially in a residential area as this is, then some of the places that cameras are placed.
I never quite see the point of hammering someone who exceeds a notional 50 limit for a few MPH over on a road that is good for 70 when people wizz along at 40 past a school at kicking out time.


Oh, and I meant Rat Run but only in the sense of a road that is used as an escape route to bypass bottlenecks, if taken in a derogatory sense, why?

Posted by: The Rookie Thu, 23 Aug 2018 - 14:14
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 22 Aug 2018 - 18:10) *
if taken in a derogatory sense, why?

The name creates a negative intonation, that's why I dislike the phrase.

Noting we had a local housing estate where residents were complaining about drivers using it as a 'rat run' turns out most lived on the estate anyway, they were just leaping to uninformed conclusions.

Posted by: notmeatloaf Thu, 23 Aug 2018 - 18:23
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The problem with schools is surely one of education. Honestly at school kicking out time anyone with a brain cell should know to drive slower, and the rest of the time they are able to drive quicker.

The simple fact is that a significant chunk of drivers can't do that which is why we have ended up with the ridiculous situation of speed limits being slapped everywhere. Whilst it would be lovely to get rid of them, you need to work out how to deal with the totally inept drivers first. We all know one, and honestly sometimes it seems to be treated as a joke "haha Dani got her car wedged trying to drive across a pedestrian bridge", "haha Dani smashed her car because she didn't realise the dual carriageway was ending and drove into the central reservation" (there are a lot more Dani ones).

The secondary school I went to was right on the edge of a town, on a road which was a nice cut through to the M25. I remember there were several collisions, including one boy who got run over, because people used to hare along even at 3.45pm. You can see why authorities get pressure to do something in those sorts of situations.

Posted by: ex-216 Thu, 23 Aug 2018 - 20:21
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"What about the other 90% of the time (4 hours a day for 195 days) when there is necessarily no need for a 20mph restriction at a school "

A more pragmatic approach is required, when I lived in Germany, outside schools was a 30Kph limit, 0700-1900 Mon-Fri. Outside of this it was 50Kph. This was to allow for early drop offs for breakfast type clubs and for after school clubs. During school holidays, the restriction was lifted as the signs were covered. However, I don't get the feeling this would happen over here as councils would say it's a drain on their limited resources.

Posted by: DancingDad Thu, 23 Aug 2018 - 20:39
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QUOTE (ex-216 @ Thu, 23 Aug 2018 - 21:21) *
"What about the other 90% of the time (4 hours a day for 195 days) when there is necessarily no need for a 20mph restriction at a school "

A more pragmatic approach is required, when I lived in Germany, outside schools was a 30Kph limit, 0700-1900 Mon-Fri. Outside of this it was 50Kph. This was to allow for early drop offs for breakfast type clubs and for after school clubs. During school holidays, the restriction was lifted as the signs were covered. However, I don't get the feeling this would happen over here as councils would say it's a drain on their limited resources.



Near to us is a well used road with a secondary school half way along and a primary at the end.

The primary has attendant lollipop lady morning and evening to help kids/parents cross.
It has had flashing "20mph when lights flash" signs for as long as I can remember.
Lollipop lady would reach up, flick a switch and they would flash.
Between the lady and the lights plus junction onto main road, never a real issue with speed.
Lights now come on automatically, even during holidays though not at weekends.


Secondary now also has automatic "20mph" flashing signs.
Personally I cannot see any safety improvement.
No one can get up to 20 at school run time with cars parked both sides and traffic reduced to single lane anyway.
And guess where the two vehicle passing spot is?
Yup, yellow zigzags, right outside the gate rolleyes.gif


Posted by: Charlie1010 Fri, 24 Aug 2018 - 18:50
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Sign of the times with all the disrespectful drivers many who don’t deserve a licence.
The lollipop lady at our primary school left because she was hit by a car overtaking stationary traffic queuing at the zebra crossing.
I too have been overtaken whilst waiting at the crossing with children crossing. Twice in the last year.
Once by a white van and once by a Porsche.
I beeped the Porsche driver who then constantly brake checked me for the next mile into town as he ended up in front of me. Thereby not gaining much progress.
I’ve seen driving standards drop significantly over the last 40 years I have been driving, riding motorbikes and hauling heavy loads.
I would agree there needs to be more enforcement in the right places, education for the ignorant and for those selfish and arrogant drivers who, if they do get caught, heftier punishment.


Posted by: Ocelot Sat, 25 Aug 2018 - 17:59
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QUOTE (Charlie1010 @ Fri, 24 Aug 2018 - 19:50) *
Sign of the times with all the disrespectful drivers many who don’t deserve a licence.
The lollipop lady at our primary school left because she was hit by a car overtaking stationary traffic queuing at the zebra crossing.
I too have been overtaken whilst waiting at the crossing with children crossing. Twice in the last year.
Once by a white van and once by a Porsche.
I beeped the Porsche driver who then constantly brake checked me for the next mile into town as he ended up in front of me. Thereby not gaining much progress.
I’ve seen driving standards drop significantly over the last 40 years I have been driving, riding motorbikes and hauling heavy loads.
I would agree there needs to be more enforcement in the right places, education for the ignorant and for those selfish and arrogant drivers who, if they do get caught, heftier punishment.


The Porsche driver wouldn't like that!

Maybe it's me, but drivers seem to be much more impatient and hostile these days. Possibly I think that because I'm getting older, but fortunately I haven't yet found the need to don on a high-viz shirt and hold a hair dryer out in the face on oncoming traffic...

Posted by: Charlie1010 Sat, 25 Aug 2018 - 18:28
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Perhaps one solution would be to reduce the points needed for totting up down to 9. Then maybe there would be more attention to driving properly and with respect for other road users.
I was beeping more as a warning to him and the children on the crossing. Not to tell him off. But he didn’t take it that way obviously. They were so lucky not to have been killed by someone who wasn’t really in a hurry or he wouldn’t have been the piece of door furniture he was.

Posted by: notmeatloaf Sat, 25 Aug 2018 - 22:57
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QUOTE (Charlie1010 @ Sat, 25 Aug 2018 - 19:28) *
Perhaps one solution would be to reduce the points needed for totting up down to 9. Then maybe there would be more attention to driving properly and with respect for other road users.
I was beeping more as a warning to him and the children on the crossing. Not to tell him off. But he didn’t take it that way obviously. They were so lucky not to have been killed by someone who wasn’t really in a hurry or he wouldn’t have been the piece of door furniture he was.

Or just have it as it is in many countries where there is a much larger range of (for example) speeds that attract different points before it needs to go to court.

The issue is that it is clearly a different offence to be caught doing 35mph vs 49mph in a 30mph limit, but at the moment they are treated identically.

You are right though that some people's driving is shocking. When I was on my bike a couple of weeks ago I stopped for a pedestrian crossing a zebra crossing. The car behind me decided to overtake at speed. I thought the pedestrian was going to have a heart attack. As normal I caught up with him at the second next set of traffic lights anyway. You rarely gain much from aggressive driving.

Posted by: Neil B Thu, 30 Aug 2018 - 20:51
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Sorry late to the party but I've just been informed in the pub, very firmly, as 'bloke in pub' knows, that
this was implemented 3 days ago.

Posted by: notmeatloaf Thu, 30 Aug 2018 - 22:08
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 30 Aug 2018 - 21:51) *
Sorry late to the party but I've just been informed in the pub, very firmly, as 'bloke in pub' knows, that
this was implemented 3 days ago.

Jeez that bloke gets around. Is it the one who has a string of traffic offences all of which are the fault of the police for obscure reasons?

I really feel for him, the police seem to be picking on him for nothing more than a continual inability to follow the Highway Code. What a bunch of bastards.

Posted by: The Rookie Fri, 31 Aug 2018 - 15:02
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 30 Aug 2018 - 21:51) *
Sorry late to the party but I've just been informed in the pub, very firmly, as 'bloke in pub' knows, that
this was implemented 3 days ago.

Yeah that was all over the press..... oh wait......

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