PCN at 2.30am, Unseen enforcement during silent hours |
PCN at 2.30am, Unseen enforcement during silent hours |
Thu, 29 Sep 2022 - 14:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,268 Joined: 10 Mar 2014 Member No.: 69,352 |
On the Council forum there’s a thread about a PCN issued at 2.32am in a quiet residential area for a very insignificant parking contravention. http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=146630
I thought I’d ask here: is middle of the night enforcement for this low level type of contravention now widespread practice? Maybe there’s some rationale around nightclubs and bars in busy city centres but such enforcement during silent hours in residential areas does not feel right. |
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Thu, 29 Sep 2022 - 17:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
That one was London so big bucks from enforcement and well worth the cost of a night shift CEO or two or more.
Dagenham area so I would assume some late night pups/clubs and when the punters have moved on, CEOs will still likely have a scooter to get about and a target to meet.... yes I know they don't have targets.... and the moon is cream cheese. Or possibly some disgruntled neighbour was peed about someone parking on yellow lines so phoned to complain, curtain twitchers can have funny hours. As to your basic question, parking enforcement is big business and an important part of council's revenue stream, certainly in big cities and larger towns. Not so much in smaller towns and rural areas where they may not even cover costs of enforcement but if they can get £65 or even £35 a pop and serve a few PCNs each night, some bright spark in parking will reckon a profit to be made |
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Fri, 30 Sep 2022 - 05:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,074 Joined: 17 Nov 2015 Member No.: 80,686 |
I'd assume the timing of restrictions is key?
Whilst many (all?) councils are money-grabbing (wasting) $%^&ers there are many places where the restrictions are timed - so those where they are 'always' might be so for a reason. But why would anyone park where there are restrictions - if correctly signed? |
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Fri, 30 Sep 2022 - 11:14
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,268 Joined: 10 Mar 2014 Member No.: 69,352 |
Not timings, it’s about footway parking and related signage in a quiet residential area where footway parking is allowed. The motorist lives opposite the place where he parked (and has done for years). I recognise that PCN income is mega business. My query is how extensive is silent hours (and thus generally unseen) enforcement in residential areas throughout the country?
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Fri, 30 Sep 2022 - 13:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Several boroughs have a track record in middle of night operations, Newham in particular. They often tour around with a tow truck looking for business.
As I said though I thought this one was creepy is it's a cul de sac in a residential area. Newham likes finding things such as dropped footway parking on industrial estates, presumably because they don't disturb anyone. |
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Fri, 30 Sep 2022 - 13:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
Can't speak for the whole country but any assumption that they will not enforce in the wee small hours is likely to end in disappointment.
I can remember cases in Birmingham where teams of CEOs seem to hit in the middle of the night in areas where parking at night can be iffy... lack of spaces etc Or just dodgy parking, on a footway at traffic lights on a major junction is one that comes to mind... DYLs applied |
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Sat, 1 Oct 2022 - 10:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,268 Joined: 10 Mar 2014 Member No.: 69,352 |
If necessary to deal with contraventions/violations because of a pressing traffic management imperative it would be understandable. But CEOs wandering around looking for really trivial contraventions when most people are in their beds does not add to my sense of personal security. It does not make me feel that our streets are safer. As stamfordman says it is creepy.
I very much doubt that those who drafted the CEOs powers envisaged them being used in what is essentially a covert manner. |
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Sat, 1 Oct 2022 - 21:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 20,919 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
The do it, because they can, (it's all legal), and if it makes shedloads of money, which it usually does. Of course it is all venal money-grubbing but we see that everywhere now in the UK as any sense of decency by officials high and low has completely disappeared.
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Sun, 2 Oct 2022 - 03:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,411 Joined: 14 Apr 2022 Member No.: 116,298 |
Did the CEO wear a black cape? If so, put some garlic on the windscreen.
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Sun, 2 Oct 2022 - 07:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,074 Joined: 17 Nov 2015 Member No.: 80,686 |
I guess it depends on what 'trivial' is? That in turn asks why the restriction is in place at all? If they're threre to deter commuters, local employees etc then (IMO) the restriction should apply when relevant.
However, if a driver thinks parking (e.g.) in a disabled bay at 0200 is 'OK' then (IMO) they get what's coming to them? OP - why do you think the restrictions are in force? |
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Sun, 2 Oct 2022 - 10:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,300 Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Member No.: 47,602 |
The do it, because they can, (it's all legal), and if it makes shedloads of money, which it usually does. Of course it is all venal money-grubbing but we see that everywhere now in the UK as any sense of decency by officials high and low has completely disappeared. I'd like my council to make "shedloads of money" from offenders instead of raising my council tax or cutting services. |
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Sun, 2 Oct 2022 - 20:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,268 Joined: 10 Mar 2014 Member No.: 69,352 |
My query did not question the legality or validity of a restriction but sought views on the method, prevalence and manner of silent hours enforcement in quiet residential areas.
In response to Schofeldt I would note it depends on whether a cape (very doubtful!) is part of the CEO uniform and whether s/he was wearing it. |
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Sun, 2 Oct 2022 - 21:14
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Member Group: Members Posts: 7,235 Joined: 5 Jan 2007 From: England Member No.: 9,919 |
an invisibility cape perhaps?
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Sun, 2 Oct 2022 - 22:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
No one expect the parking inquisition. Our weapons are fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the council, nice yellow uniforms...
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Mon, 3 Oct 2022 - 08:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 20 Nov 2021 Member No.: 114,795 |
Good job "real" criminals haven't taken to committing crimes when they are least likely to be caught.
Maybe we could petition for speed limits to not be applicable at 02:30am as well |
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Mon, 3 Oct 2022 - 12:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
Good job "real" criminals haven't taken to committing crimes when they are least likely to be caught. Maybe we could petition for speed limits to not be applicable at 02:30am as well Or go the whole hog and have a crime amnesty for one day a year. Maybe call it The Purge? |
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