Electric Bikes. Options

[Korting]

Take a look at this: https://www.li.me/electric-assist-bike?fbcl...9IOQOQr7CfrIE-c

Are these not mechanically propelled vehicles? if so, shouldn't the rider be licensed and subject to the same laws as scooters and cars?

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[The Rookie]

There is plenty of case law of electric vehicles that are not cars being considered motor vehicles if they don’t fit any of the specific exemptions in the regs, I found 2 or 3 on baili in just a few minutes.

Here’s one for a scooter http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?d...n/2008/447.html

I’m not sure why you referred me back to the regs the bike we were discussing didn’t comply with?

This post has been edited by The Rookie: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 - 22:21

[Unzippy]

A road bike is still quicker up most hills and you can recharge it with fig rolls.

What a silly statement. It depends on who is riding it. E bikes can give those who would never normally get on a bike, a fantastic opportunity to get out and about and see the world.

[The Rookie]

Not really, you don’t need to be that fit to manage 15mph on a road bike.

[Fredd]

Not really, you don’t need to be that fit to manage 15mph on a road bike.

Uphill? Bollocks.

[southpaw82]

I’m not sure why you referred me back to the regs the bike we were discussing didn’t comply with?

Because I wanted an explanation as to why it didn’t comply with them.

[The Rookie]

Because they have higher power than the 250W limit as I made clear in my posts, it was specifically those I was referring to.

Not really, you don’t need to be that fit to manage 15mph on a road bike.

Uphill? Bollocks.

Its not usual for a whole ride to be uphill, so if you're averaging over 15mph the extra weight you are carrying all the time you are over 15mph means net your likely to be slower.

This post has been edited by The Rookie: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 - 10:32

[nomadros]

Hola peeps, long time no type.

IIRC...the difference was/is this.

UK electric bikes (200w max, 15mph max, twist grip power, no need to pedal). Rest of the universe electric bikes (250w max, 20mph, twist grip illegal, must pedal)

In a nutshell for simple identification, no twist grip and must pedal = motorised vehicle (tax, licence, insurance etc)

HTH

[The Rookie]

Not really, the UK govt has already stated that anyone riding an EU legal bike will not be prosecuted as we will be harmonising (mind you that was said about 4 years ago and they still haven't got round to it).

[cp8759]

Not really, the UK govt has already stated that anyone riding an EU legal bike will not be prosecuted as we will be harmonising (mind you that was said about 4 years ago and they still haven't got round to it).

Does it matter? As per Factortame II domestic legislation which is incompatible with EU law must be dis-applied by the domestic courts, this would have to include the criminal courts.

[southpaw82]

Not really, the UK govt has already stated that anyone riding an EU legal bike will not be prosecuted as we will be harmonising (mind you that was said about 4 years ago and they still haven't got round to it).

Does it matter? As per Factortame II domestic legislation which is incompatible with EU law must be dis-applied by the domestic courts, this would have to include the criminal courts.

Precisely.

[captain swoop]

A road bike is still quicker up most hills and you can recharge it with fig rolls.

What a silly statement. It depends on who is riding it. E bikes can give those who would never normally get on a bike, a fantastic opportunity to get out and about and see the world.

Exactly, I gave a link to two videos that demonstrate how fast an ebike is uphill.

Even a road legal ebike can give you 250 watts of extra power uphill. A Pro Tour rider will generate on average 350-375 watts on a climb. An 'average' rider (me) can manage about 175-200 so that extra 250 watts of motor power will beat a Pro.
On the flat it is a different matter. Max assisted speed on an ebike is 25kmh, a Pro Tour rider averages 40-45kmh. I can average 28-30kmh.

So with a legal ebike I could beat a Pro Tour rider up a long climb but I couldn't beat myself on the flat as the assist would stop at 25kmh or cut the assist and I would be left pedalling a bike of about 25kg with the drag of the motor and gears instead of my usual 7.5kg bike.

This post has been edited by captain swoop: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 - 22:35

[Unzippy]

Not really, you don’t need to be that fit to manage 15mph on a road bike.

You're typing without thinking again.

E bikes make cycling possible for a much wider range of people, by providing assistance up hills, with loads, over distances, etc. They make it possible for less fit people to bike commute long distances – and improve their fitness. Asthmatics, people with joint issues etc.

[The Rookie]

Not really, you don’t need to be that fit to manage 15mph on a road bike.

You're typing without thinking again.

E bikes make cycling possible for a much wider range of people, by providing assistance up hills, with loads, over distances, etc. They make it possible for less fit people to bike commute long distances – and improve their fitness. Asthmatics, people with joint issues etc.

And you failed to read what I wrote, but hey ho, in bold now to make it easier for you....of course some people will have conditions making an E-bike a sensible choice, but the less fit but otherwise healthy person almost never gets fit if they don't need to by using an e-bike, I see that in users who commute to where I work.

[Fredd]

[Unzippy]

Not really, you don’t need to be that fit to manage 15mph on a road bike.

You're typing without thinking again.

E bikes make cycling possible for a much wider range of people, by providing assistance up hills, with loads, over distances, etc. They make it possible for less fit people to bike commute long distances – and improve their fitness. Asthmatics, people with joint issues etc.

And you failed to read what I wrote, but hey ho, in bold now to make it easier for you....of course some people will have conditions making an E-bike a sensible choice, but the less fit but otherwise healthy person almost never gets fit if they don't need to by using an e-bike, I see that in users who commute to where I work.

I read what you wrote, now you've elaborated (or attempted to dig yourself out the hole).

[The Rookie]

Not elaborated, my original post is quite clear I think? Then you add examples of people who wouldn't be considered fit at all......

[Fredd]

Some reading material for all of us, perhaps some more than others.

[Unzippy]

Not elaborated, my original post is quite clear I think? Then you add examples of people who wouldn't be considered fit at all......

[The Rookie]

As an example our club beginners rides average 15mph as that has proven to be fine for people just getting into (or back into) cycling, unless you’ve tried it or are very unfit (I did say didn’t have to be that fit...) perhaps you should try it before calling me out?

[Churchmouse]

Not elaborated, my original post is quite clear I think? Then you add examples of people who wouldn't be considered fit at all......

I feel like I've been outed...

--Churchmouse