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Zazaa
post Thu, 13 Sep 2018 - 13:17
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Hiya,

Brother is renting a room, as a lodger, in a block of flats.

He's received the following to our home address.




The sign that's around is as follows:




and he has this as a permit:

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peterguk
post Thu, 13 Sep 2018 - 13:20
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Related to your other thread involving CPM and a brother who is a lodger?
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=122608&hl=


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ostell
post Thu, 13 Sep 2018 - 13:40
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Yes, it was getting confusing with two PCNs, a NTD and a NTK in play.

As said previously when exactly did it arrive? We're looking for more than 14 days after the parking event. There should be a date of sending on the NTK.
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Zazaa
post Thu, 13 Sep 2018 - 16:17
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QUOTE (ostell @ Thu, 13 Sep 2018 - 14:40) *
Yes, it was getting confusing with two PCNs, a NTD and a NTK in play.

As said previously when exactly did it arrive? We're looking for more than 14 days after the parking event. There should be a date of sending on the NTK.



The issued date is 24.08.18. I cannot see any dates on the envelope. Furthermore, if I say it came last week, where's the proof it came last week?

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post Thu, 13 Sep 2018 - 16:28
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Your word that it came last week. Can they prove they sent it on that day and by first class royal mail? There being nothing on the envelope suggests it was indeed not royal mail. The critical time is was it longer than 14 days before is was received. If it was after the 30th August then it's out of time.

And so:

Sirs

Ref PCN xxxxx VRM yyyyyy

I am the registered keeper of the above vehicle and am in receipt of the PCN you issued. I have no liability on this matter as you have failed to meet the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the prescribed relevant period of 14 days, contrary to section 9 (4) of the Act. You cannot therefore transfer liability from the driver at the time to me.

There is no legal requirement to identify the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

Any further communication with me on this matter, apart from confirmation of no further action and my details being removed from your records, will be considered vexatious and harassment. This includes communication from any Debt Collection companies you care to instruct.

Yours etc.


Expect rejection anyway but ignore and don't appeal to the IAS. COme back if it gets to a Letter Before Claim.

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Zazaa
post Thu, 13 Sep 2018 - 17:36
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QUOTE (ostell @ Thu, 13 Sep 2018 - 17:28) *
Your word that it came last week. Can they prove they sent it on that day and by first class royal mail? There being nothing on the envelope suggests it was indeed not royal mail. The critical time is was it longer than 14 days before is was received. If it was after the 30th August then it's out of time.

And so:

Sirs

Ref PCN xxxxx VRM yyyyyy

I am the registered keeper of the above vehicle and am in receipt of the PCN you issued. I have no liability on this matter as you have failed to meet the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the prescribed relevant period of 14 days, contrary to section 9 (4) of the Act. You cannot therefore transfer liability from the driver at the time to me.

There is no legal requirement to identify the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

Any further communication with me on this matter, apart from confirmation of no further action and my details being removed from your records, will be considered vexatious and harassment. This includes communication from any Debt Collection companies you care to instruct.

Yours etc.


Expect rejection anyway but ignore and don't appeal to the IAS. COme back if it gets to a Letter Before Claim.


Ah Ok. and so here we write the correct and true registered keeper's information.

The envelope has:

Delivered by Royal Mail C9 10001.

Does that mean anything?
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ostell
post Thu, 13 Sep 2018 - 18:23
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Yes, you are appealing as the keeper.

I believe it means that they originally sent it with one of the bulk mail companies that hold mail for a while until they have enough for an area then they send it to the royal mail for delivery. There is no Frank mark or stamp. So perhaps your recollection about receipt last week is correct. If the date could be remembered so much the better.

Send your appeal by first Class mail and get a free certificate of posting from your local Post Office as proof that you sent it and whwn.

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post Thu, 13 Sep 2018 - 18:34
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They have no proof of service as first or second class is beyond their means wink.gif , well if they can't be bothered its no wonder it comes after 14 days and they cannot dispute that because they are cheap robbing scamsters.

Rant over.
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