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Hissin Sid
post Tue, 5 Jun 2007 - 12:52
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Hi all,
Can anyone tell me if unsigned NIPs are still the way to go in Scotland or is there a better approach ?. My motorcycle was scammed doing 43 in a 30 by a fixed rearward facing camera in Glasgow & I recieved the NIP 7 days later........advice appreciated
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Hissin Sid
post Tue, 5 Jun 2007 - 13:08
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Hi all,
Photo`d by fixed scam in Glasgow on bike (43 in 30) can you tell me if unsigned NIP is way to go, and what is procedure after that ? is it worth asking for copy of pic ?..............any help greatly appreciated
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post Tue, 5 Jun 2007 - 13:41
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QUOTE (Hissin Sid @ Tue, 5 Jun 2007 - 13:52) *
Hi all,
Can anyone tell me if unsigned NIPs are still the way to go in Scotland or is there a better approach ?. My motorcycle was scammed doing 43 in a 30 by a fixed rearward facing camera in Glasgow & I recieved the NIP 7 days later........advice appreciated

Hey up Hissin Sid.
Maybe if you opened up a topic specially for your case it might help.
If you complete the NIP Wizard with all the details needed we can all get stuck in and advise from there.


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Hissin Sid
post Tue, 5 Jun 2007 - 18:31
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Hi All, here are the sorry details, all help greatly appreciated.........

NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Strathclyde
Date of the offence: - May 2007
Date of the NIP: - 6 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 7 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - Springburn Rd, Glasgow near to Huntershill Street
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 3
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - A motorcycle owned by myself was photographed by a fixed camera (from behind) at an alleged speed of 43mph in a 30 limit.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Scotland

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v2.2.3: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:27:15 +0100



These are the answers you've given so far:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Scotland


Wizard version 2.2.3
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jeffreyarcher
post Wed, 6 Jun 2007 - 02:31
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You've started a duplicate thread!
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Hissin Sid
post Wed, 6 Jun 2007 - 06:30
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sorry Jefferey for appearing real stupid, it`s my 1st time on a forum......sid
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Hissin Sid
post Wed, 6 Jun 2007 - 20:49
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Help please anyone ?????
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post Wed, 6 Jun 2007 - 21:13
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If you were the rider I would do as the NIP Wizard suggests.


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Links :- 1. NIP Wizard, 2. Speeding - Likely penalty calculator, 3. How to deal with PPC tickets.
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post Wed, 6 Jun 2007 - 22:56
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wait for the 26th day return filled in by someone else .i.e partner unsigned recorded delivery (remember and keep the slip to prove you sent it) then wait it out and hopefully you will join the many people that have timed out
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Hissin Sid
post Wed, 6 Jun 2007 - 23:05
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Should I use Special delivery or recorded delivery ?
Also, does anyone know what to do when you get local plod on the doorstep to try & get you to sign the NIP ?, I have read that this is a strong possibility but not much info on the technicalities of it.

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post Thu, 7 Jun 2007 - 17:05
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QUOTE (Hissin Sid @ Thu, 7 Jun 2007 - 00:05) *
thanks guys, thats what I`ll do, I`ll keep you posted....
p.s. should i use special delivery ?


Yes. Absolutely.


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Hissin Sid
post Thu, 7 Jun 2007 - 17:31
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Sorry Monster 900, did you mean.
a) yes special delivery ?
b)yes recorded delivery ?
c) you do know what to do if plod comes round ?

please clarify
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post Thu, 7 Jun 2007 - 17:38
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QUOTE (Hissin Sid @ Thu, 7 Jun 2007 - 18:31) *
Sorry Monster 900, did you mean.
a) yes special delivery ?
b)yes recorded delivery ?
c) you do know what to do if plod comes round ?

please clarify


Yes: (a) Special delivery as it is the only one to guarantee next day delivery and provide proof of delivery. If you send recorded delivery you need to send earlier in case of failure.

I understand if the plod comes round it's best for them not to find you at home. If they do find you, ask them if you are suspected of having committed an offence, they should say yes, you then ask to be cautioned after which you say nothing.


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Hissin Sid
post Thu, 7 Jun 2007 - 19:35
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But refuse to sign the NIP ?.........is that right ?
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post Thu, 7 Jun 2007 - 19:45
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QUOTE (Hissin Sid @ Thu, 7 Jun 2007 - 20:35) *
But refuse to sign the NIP ?.........is that right ?


Yes. In Scotland, still your best bet.


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Hissin Sid
post Thu, 7 Jun 2007 - 23:38
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cool.........tnx monsterman.......just tryin to plan ahead...sid
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post Fri, 8 Jun 2007 - 00:34
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QUOTE (Monster 900 @ Thu, 7 Jun 2007 - 18:38) *
ask them if you are suspected of having committed an offence, they should say yes, you then ask to be cautioned after which you say nothing.

In Scotland, there is no requirement for a caution before being required to provide statutorily required information (which is what S172 is).
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Hissin Sid
post Fri, 8 Jun 2007 - 16:29
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Thanks for your post Jeffrey, so if the driver info has already been supplied on the returned nip & plod are only requiring a signature, how would you deal with them ?, assuming they arrive whilst you are in the garden etc. Am I right to assume that they can`t harass you at work ?.

thanks for your help........sssssid
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Hissin Sid
post Mon, 11 Jun 2007 - 05:59
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Does anyone know at what point you can ask to see the photograph from the fixed camera ?
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Hissin Sid
post Thu, 12 Jul 2007 - 12:33
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Having ignored the first NIP (6 weeks since 1st notification) I have now received another form asking me to name the rider of the motorcycle.

Do I a). Return the form unsigned (filled in by wife).
b). Ask for a copy of photo to help in recognition of rider.
c). Write back saying that I never received the NIP in the 1st place, there is no proof that I received it as it was sent 1st class post.

I would be grateful of some sound advice now...........thanks Sid
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