3x PCNs Ford Transit connect Rotherhithe Tunnel weight restriction 52G Options

[hunpak]

Hi,

I drive a Ford Transit connect van which is a hire vehicle, it's a small 1499cc van, I have received 3x PCNs , I live in startford area and tunnel was part of my daily commute, when the officers in hiviz were at the tunnel they never stopped me. I was under the impression that my van is below the weight.

Is there any way out as paying for 3 PCNs and maybe I'll get more will be a huge dent in my finances.

Thanks

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[stamfordman]

PCNs are in the hire company's name presumably. What is the arrangement about PCNs.

What is the exact model of van.

This post has been edited by stamfordman: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 - 14:38

[ohnoes]

Does your van fall into one of the categories?

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/rotherhith...el-restrictions

Vehicles more than 2 metres (6'6") high, 2 metres (6'6") wide or goods vehicles weighing more than 2 tonnes (gross vehicle weight)

[Neil B]

Vehicles more than 2 metres (6'6") high, 2 metres (6'6") wide or goods vehicles weighing more than 2 tonnes (gross vehicle weight)

I looked it up when he first posted and it shocked me.
All models, as far as I can tell, just over 2T.

Trying to check mine now! (similar size).

[DastardlyDick]

Your van probably is under two tons - TfL have gone for the maximum weight it could legally be when fully loaded.
Unfortunately, I can't see a defence here.

[hcandersen]

Can we pl differentiate between 't' tonnes and 'T' tons.

[stamfordman]

Can we pl differentiate between 't' tonnes and 'T' tons.

If we get Brexit we'll go back to the long and short ton.

[Neil B]

Is a restriction that prohibits overweight goods vehicles fair, practical, etc. while allowing far heavier private vehicles?

[hunpak]

PCNs are in the hire company's name presumably. What is the arrangement about PCNs.

What is the exact model of van.

Thanks Stamfordman,

PCNs are on hire companies name, they forward them to my company who gives me option to appeal or deduct from my salary.

Model number is Ford Transit connect 220 however it's smaller type with 2 seats only on front, it has 1499cc engine.

[hunpak]

Does your van fall into one of the categories?

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/rotherhith...el-restrictions

Vehicles more than 2 metres (6'6") high, 2 metres (6'6") wide or goods vehicles weighing more than 2 tonnes (gross vehicle weight)

Yes it's seems like the revenue weight is just over 2t as per gov.uk

[hcandersen]

Forget height, weight, inside leg measurement.

This is going to end in chaos and recriminations, and expensive ones at that.

The only people who may respond to the PCN are the company to whom it is addressed, not someone 2 stages removed.

Unless authority in writing has cascaded from the hire company to the OP then any reps would and should be not accepted and the 28-day deadline would probably be missed and then the hire company, not the OP or their employer, would receive a surcharged penalty demand which they would be unable to challenge.

OP, you need to clear your lines regarding authority to submit anything before you worry about content.

Maybe you have, but I cannot find it.

[hunpak]

Forget height, weight, inside leg measurement.

This is going to end in chaos and recriminations, and expensive ones at that.

The only people who may respond to the PCN are the company to whom it is addressed, not someone 2 stages removed.

Unless authority in writing has cascaded from the hire company to the OP then any reps would and should be not accepted and the 28-day deadline would probably be missed and then the hire company, not the OP or their employer, would receive a surcharged penalty demand which they would be unable to challenge.

OP, you need to clear your lines regarding authority to submit anything before you worry about content.

Maybe you have, but I cannot find it.

The problem I got is the van is hired via my work and if I say No I will get lots of grief.

I have been asked by my company to make an appearance or I will have to pay.

So I take it from so far responses that I don't have any grounds of appeal?

[hcandersen]

You cannot challenge because you have no standing in this matter as I have already posted.

It seems that the options you have are:
1. Make reps and risk the procedural chaos, employee/employer tension and increased financial costs as well, or
2. Tell your employer that you cannot make reps and risk them making a short, sharp response of 'pay up then',
3. Take it on the chin and pay at the discount hopefully,
4. Do nothing, don't tell your employer and prepare for the law of unintended consequences to rain on you with all its might.

This is not the time for the minutiae of signs, it's getting your mind around the law and practical realities of your position.

Why were you engaged on your employer's business driving the vehicle (they had supplied to you) unlawfully? In this respect, the signs are neither here nor there, there is a weight restriction about which your employer should have been aware, just as they need to be aware of all road charging limits in London, including emissions.
Your fault or theirs?
Do you use route planning software, if so who provides? I'm just curious.

[cp8759]

PCNs are in the hire company's name presumably. What is the arrangement about PCNs.

What is the exact model of van.

Thanks Stamfordman,

PCNs are on hire companies name, they forward them to my company who gives me option to appeal or deduct from my salary.

Model number is Ford Transit connect 220 however it's smaller type with 2 seats only on front, it has 1499cc engine.

You need the Hire Company to make a representation on the hire company ground, to transfer liability to your employer. You can do this on their behalf if they give you written permission, and a copy of the hire agreement.

[hunpak]

Got another one yesterday

[cp8759]

Got another one yesterday

Have you done anything about this so far? The default position remains that you need the hire company to transfer liability to your employer in the first instance, this isn't just going to go away if you want and do nothing.

[pedders]

Always wondered why the police at the entrance waved me away in my transit custom long wheelbase, thank god they did! Fair play to them as they could have easily let me through and then charged me.

This post has been edited by pedders: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 - 17:27

[cp8759]

Always wondered why the police at the entrance waved me away in my transit custom long wheelbase, thank god they did! Fair play to them as they could have easily let me through and then charged me.

The police have nothing to do with TFL moving traffic PCNs.

[DastardlyDick]

Always wondered why the police at the entrance waved me away in my transit custom long wheelbase, thank god they did! Fair play to them as they could have easily let me through and then charged me.

The police have nothing to do with TFL moving traffic PCNs.

Except that the officers concerned are funded by TfL.

[cp8759]

Always wondered why the police at the entrance waved me away in my transit custom long wheelbase, thank god they did! Fair play to them as they could have easily let me through and then charged me.

The police have nothing to do with TFL moving traffic PCNs.

Except that the officers concerned are funded by TfL.

Are they? The national audit office reports that the MET are funded 70% by central government and 30% by council tax payers, see page 19 here https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2...-Wales-2018.pdf

Not that any of this is relevant to this thread any more.