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Speeding, but ticket sent after 14 days!, Is this still valid??
jnc90
post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 11:08
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Hi,

Yesterday on the 11/04/09, I received a speeding ticket for doing 66 in a 50! Usually I'd shut up and pay it but I'm in my first 2 years and the nature of me getting caught was taking the micky!

It was a 70 on the M6 that went to a temp limit of 50 and as soon as I saw the sign I saw the camera!!! No time to stop at all!

However like I said ticket came yesterday, the header says it was sent on the 09/04 and the offense was on the 23/03!
So it was sent out 17 days after and received 19 days after! However the twist is it was a hire car on behalf of my company! Can I still get out of this with a solicitors letter to explain it was outside of 14 days??

Any advice on how to avoid this, cos I really can't afford 3 points now, would be much appreciated!

Many thanks!

Josh
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 11:12
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The NIP needs to be served on the registered keeper within 14 days. Since this was a hire car and you are not the RK, there is no time limit for the NIP to get to you.

Please complete the NIP wizard, posting the results back to this thread.

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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 11:27
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Okay cheers mate!
where is this NIP wizard??
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 11:38
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NIP Wizard.
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 11:39
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Please visit the READ ME FIRST section (Click Here), answer all the questions in the NIP Wizard (including the detailed questions reached by clicking on the Additional Questions button on the second page), and the Wizard will then post its output back here to enable us to help you.


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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 17:31
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Well the result was;


Do nothing!

The police are not requesting the information from you, they are requesting it from the person the NIP is addressed to.
Wait until you receive a NIP addressed to you personally, then come back here.

This is because the NIP is addressed to my manager who rented the car! Do you think I should still do nothing? My friend said the first one he had he did nothing with and he was never chase up on!

Any tips??

Thanks again! smile.gif
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 17:38
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That's right, it is not you being asked to provide the information, it is whoever the NIP is adressed to. You should ask them to wait until as near as possible to the 28 day timelimit is up and then send it back recorded delivery. You will then receive one in your name.


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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 17:39
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the nip wiz is as much for us as you, so post it up

they will prob follow through

your manager has to fill it in and send it back

why have you got it


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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 17:40
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The general idea is that you post the Wizard's output into the thread.. wink.gif

Regardless, the fact that the NIP / s.172 request is not addressed to you personally does indeed mean that you are under no legal obligation to do anything with it. But if you do decide to sit tight and do nowt, whilst its likely that your manager would receive a reminder, he may also receive a summons for failing to provide driver details (an offence which carries 6 points and a sizeable fine upon conviction).

If you do not wish to run the risk of dropping your manager in it, then you should consider returning the form to him and ensuring that he completes it with your details (and aims to have it returned close to, but not later than, 28 days from when the notice was received). In due course, you should receive your own s.172 request, whereupon you can complete a new NIP Wizard (and paste its output into this thread).
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 17:44
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Thats all the wizard said..

Because you didn't answer the additional questions needed for a forum post the Wizard wasn't able to construct one for you.

Onoly did three questions lol!
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 17:59
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QUOTE (mistrey @ Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 18:38) *
That's right, it is not you being asked to provide the information, it is whoever the NIP is adressed to. You should ask them to wait until as near as possible to the 28 day timelimit is up and then send it back recorded delivery. You will then receive one in your name.


Why should I wait as long as possible??

If I was to complain that there wasn't enough warning of the temp limit what do u think the outcome would be??

Thanks, Josh
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 19:38
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You wait as long as possible in the hope that you can push the matter over the 6 month prosecution limit.
Why help them when you can possibly get away scot free?
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 20:23
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I not sure here but is the fact that the registered keeper did not get the Nip within 14 days any use to him, would it be a good idea to hold on to the original and send back a copy.

In any case returning it to the manager would seem like a good idea as he would not be happy if he ending up in court for S172 and might hold a grudge
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 20:30
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QUOTE (neil3841 @ Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 21:23) *
I not sure here but is the fact that the registered keeper did not get the Nip within 14 days any use to him,

What makes you think that the initial NIP was served later than 14 days ?
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 20:32
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theres a better than even chance it was sent the lease company (RK) in 14 days

personal id let the manager swing for his stupidity , but then ive got no-moral compass


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QUOTE (nemo @ Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 21:30) *
QUOTE (neil3841 @ Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 21:23) *
I not sure here but is the fact that the registered keeper did not get the Nip within 14 days any use to him,

What makes you think that the initial NIP was served later than 14 days ?

Sorry my mistake I just read back the nip with the managers name on it was the second nip, the first will have gone to the rental place and as the 2nd was with the manager in 17 days its a safe bet the initail one was served on time.I made the mistake of thinkin the manager was the registered keeper

QUOTE (jobo @ Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 21:32) *
theres a better than even chance it was sent the lease company (RK) in 14 days

personal id let the manager swing for his stupidity , but then ive got no-moral compass



that he could do but he might find the manager finds a way to give him the sack if he gets a day trip to court or at the very least make work hell

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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 21:21
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Offence date was 23/03 and you're already 2 NIPS on...... Everyone certainly is working quickly! If I were you I'd give the NIP back to your boss nearer the 28 day deadline, then tell him that's it's him who needs to sign and return it. Wait for the one in your name and ask for photos etc etc etc
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 23:28
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Thanks a lot for all your help guys! smile.gif

I think what I'm gonna do is,

wait till Tuesday when I can phone just to check if another one is on the way, not that I think ther is but u never know! Then tell my manager (a she btw, lol) and say that my fathers friend (owns a law firm) is looking into the 14 day thing just so I can delay sending it to her then as late as possible send it to her for her to send back then maybe do the whole delaying thingy!

Do u think a solicitors letter complaining bout the 14 day hing would be worth a try?

Thanks again!
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 23:33
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QUOTE (jnc90 @ Mon, 13 Apr 2009 - 00:28) *
Do u think a solicitors letter complaining bout the 14 day thing would be worth a try?

Not if the initial notice was served on the RK within 14 days, no.
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post Sun, 12 Apr 2009 - 23:42
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But it could be used as a delay tactic yes?? smile.gif

best way I see round this is getting the NIP I have now back to them as late as possible, then using all different queries such as the 14 day thing, photo's, callibration of camera, not enough notice of temp speed limit.....

Any thoughts??

Cheers!
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