Keeper Liability Scotland, Scottish parking petition |
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Keeper Liability Scotland, Scottish parking petition |
 Sat, 22 Jun 2019 - 08:22
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 22 Jun 2019 Member No.: 104,409  |
Hi,
The Scottish government seem determined to inflict KL on motorists here. Can you please sign the petition below, even if you don't live in Scotland, thank you. https://www.change.org/p/the-scottish-gover...=share_petition |
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Sat, 22 Jun 2019 - 08:22
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Sat, 22 Jun 2019 - 08:34
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 8,391 Joined: 9 Feb 2006 Member No.: 4,813 |
Signed.
Reaon given is that the imposition of a contractual condition on a non contracting third party would be unlawful without the Protection of Freedoms Act. It should remain that way -------------------- |
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Sat, 29 Jun 2019 - 11:42
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 8 Sep 2007 From: Scotland Member No.: 13,583 |
Murdo Fraser (a Tory MSP) is well known for this type of ‘fair play’. I responded to the consultation back in 2017 and heard nothing more. It didn’t make it to the 2018-9 programme of Bills, and I doubt it will make much headway in 2019-20 as there is much more important business to address, but we’ll know more come September.
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1 - 0 Glasgow City Council 1 - 0 East Dunbartonshire Council |
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Sat, 29 Jun 2019 - 12:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
Keeper Liability in England and Wales was compensation to the parking industry for the clamping ban
Scotland simply called the practice extortion If it's introduced in Scotland, Mr Fraser shouldn't be surprised when somebody decides that the easiest way to dispose of an unwanted vehicle is to transfer the registration to him and, after waiting several weeks for the DVLA process, leave it in a suitable car park |
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Sat, 29 Jun 2019 - 14:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 8,391 Joined: 9 Feb 2006 Member No.: 4,813 |
QUOTE (Redivi @ Sat, 29 Jun 2019 - 13:31)  Keeper Liability in England and Wales was compensation to the parking industry for the clamping ban Scotland simply called the practice extortion If it's introduced in Scotland, Mr Fraser shouldn't be surprised when somebody decides that the easiest way to dispose of an unwanted vehicle is to transfer the registration to him and, after waiting several weeks for the DVLA process, leave it in a suitable car park There's another way too. Wonder what his registration number is? -------------------- |
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Sat, 29 Jun 2019 - 20:41
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 31,057 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
Please don’t encourage people to commit offences.
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Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Sun, 30 Jun 2019 - 07:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
QUOTE (Lynnzer @ Sat, 29 Jun 2019 - 15:29) QUOTE (Redivi @ Sat, 29 Jun 2019 - 13:31) Keeper Liability in England and Wales was compensation to the parking industry for the clamping ban Scotland simply called the practice extortion If it's introduced in Scotland, Mr Fraser shouldn't be surprised when somebody decides that the easiest way to dispose of an unwanted vehicle is to transfer the registration to him and, after waiting several weeks for the DVLA process, leave it in a suitable car park There's another way too. Wonder what his registration number is? Not your shopping trolley routine ? |
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Wed, 24 Jul 2019 - 07:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 590 Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Member No.: 6,174 |
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sat, 29 Jun 2019 - 21:41) Please don’t encourage people to commit offences. I have to admit it did bring a smile to my face. |
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Fri, 18 Oct 2019 - 20:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,112 Joined: 7 Aug 2009 Member No.: 31,007 |
This has now passed.
The final version of the bill is at: https://www.parliament.scot/S5_Bills/Transp...l33BS052019.pdf Part 4B introduces keeper liability. |
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Sat, 19 Oct 2019 - 07:54
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 44,992 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
For ease of use, that starts on page 90 of that linked PDF.
Do we know when it becomes 'active'? -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Sat, 19 Oct 2019 - 19:10
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this bit is scary
2) It is immaterial for the purposes of this Part whether or not the vehicle was permitted to be parked (or to remain parked) on the land so no "the signs were forbidding defense" -------------------- Bridges burnt, Rubicons crossed. Parthian shots delivered, but always with style
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Sat, 19 Oct 2019 - 21:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,569 Joined: 30 May 2013 Member No.: 62,328 |
If it is a works car park that is licensable, would that satisfy a statutory control.
-------------------- The owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the falling of the dusk.
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Mon, 28 Oct 2019 - 10:35
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Member Group: Members Posts: 44,992 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
QUOTE (oldstoat @ Sat, 19 Oct 2019 - 19:10) this bit is scary 2) It is immaterial for the purposes of this Part whether or not the vehicle was permitted to be parked (or to remain parked) on the land so no "the signs were forbidding defense" If it only makes a keeper liable for what a driver owes though, it will still be relevant, it’s just for the purposes of ‘this part’. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Tue, 18 Feb 2020 - 13:24
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Member No.: 53,330 |
I believe this act received Royal Assent in October 2019. Does anyone know if keeper liability is now in force in Scotland or not ?
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Tue, 18 Feb 2020 - 13:46
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QUOTE (bart2020 @ Tue, 18 Feb 2020 - 13:24) I believe this act received Royal Assent in October 2019. Does anyone know if keeper liability is now in force in Scotland or not ? Doesn't look like it - I can only see one Commencement Order for this Act so far, and it didn't cover the relevant part. -------------------- Regards,
Fredd __________________________________________________________________________
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Fri, 21 Feb 2020 - 12:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 44,992 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
In addition the relevant requirements haven't yet been published, so while it's possible a random PCN may comply it's unlikely!
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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