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Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 08:31
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 23 Jun 2019 Member No.: 104,420 |
Hi,
Have received PCN through post for parking at local college. Proof provided on PCN is CCTV image showing car/reg entering then leaving private road approx 45mins later, image from road approaching the car park not actual proof car was physically parked in the car park itself. Car notice reads on parking contravention: parked in a permit bay without clearly displaying a valid permit or in receipt of a valid virtual permit. Is this enforceable please do I have grounds to appeal. Thanks woody This post has been edited by Woodycuk: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 - 11:45 |
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Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 11:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,506 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Is this enforceable Potentially. What company has issued the PCN? -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 13:50
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 23 Jun 2019 Member No.: 104,420 |
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Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 14:27
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
Ipserv is the commercial side of Ipswich council
Can you confirm that this is a Parking Notice and not a Penalty Notice ? If it's a Parking Notice, was it delivered within 14 days of the parking event and does it refer to the Protection of Freedoms Act to recover payment from the registered keeper ? Are you saying that the car was parked in the road and not in any parking bay ? |
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Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 20:51
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 23 Jun 2019 Member No.: 104,420 |
Parking charge notice received and no not received within 14 days of the event date, event date was 20/5 date of issue 17/6 so 4 weeks to issue.
No mention of protection of freedom act but does make reference to recovery from registered keeper in event I name alternative driver but they deny or I provide incorrect driver details. As for location of car in private road, the cctv images they are relying on as proof are taken from one way road approach certainly not proof car was parked within car park itself or further along road itself parked on double yellow lines with blue badge. Almost exactly where CCTV image taken is sign on lamppost stating entering private land/road with Ipserv signage underneath. |
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Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 21:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,506 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Could you post a redacted copy of the PCN?
As BPA members POPLA should be available? If there's no compliance with PoFA then easy win! -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 07:10
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 23 Jun 2019 Member No.: 104,420 |
Copy PCN attached hopefully
This post has been edited by Woodycuk: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 07:25
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Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 07:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,506 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
We can see through the redaction.
They ARE claiming keeper liability but have failed to comply with the necessary conditions to do so. With this being BPA/POPLA it will be an easy win! Simply appeal that they have failed to comply with (at least) section 9(5) of Protection of Freedoms Act: QUOTE The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended.
This post has been edited by Jlc: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 07:49 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 09:48
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 23 Jun 2019 Member No.: 104,420 |
Is it really as simple as that for the appeal, any likely fight back from Ipserv?
Just conscious of appealing & losing therefore having to pay the full fine especially knowing I have parked in same location between this documented ‘offence’ in May and receipt of charge notice so highly likely I will receiving another parking notice through the post in coming days/weeks. Won’t be making mistake for third time but frustrating as have been parking there for years with no problems. Thanks for your helpful guidance. This post has been edited by Woodycuk: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 10:13 |
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Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 10:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,506 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Yes, it can be that simple... Many results on here where failing to comply means no liability for the keeper.
Actually, they are misrepresenting their legal position too. (Could stir up some trouble if you are inclined) -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Tue, 25 Jun 2019 - 10:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Stop telling the world who drove. Edit your post. If you dont knwo what is meant, then you havent read enough other posts
Its not a fine PPCs routinely reject appeals, because accpeting an appeal means they definitely dont get paid. |
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Fri, 12 Jul 2019 - 15:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 14 Jun 2019 Member No.: 104,300 |
Is it really as simple as that for the appeal, any likely fight back from Ipserv? Just conscious of appealing & losing therefore having to pay the full fine especially knowing I have parked in same location between this documented ‘offence’ in May and receipt of charge notice so highly likely I will receiving another parking notice through the post in coming days/weeks. Won’t be making mistake for third time but frustrating as have been parking there for years with no problems. Thanks for your helpful guidance. I was in your situation recently and have won 3 appeals direct to date (no need to go to POPLA) so would say go for it! See the update to my post http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=128439&hl= |
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