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Posted by: mickT Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 07:37
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so, I have a different opinion about lane discipline than someone else, I'd appreciate your thoughts.

imagine you're approaching this road layout from the yellow arrow, you want to get into the lane marked with yellow circle, what lane should you take at the arrow?

note: upper rainham road traffic is traffic light controlled so nothing coming from that way.

 

Posted by: Jlc Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 07:43
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Either.

But if you subsequently plan to turn left then it would make sense to take the left side (and right for right).

Posted by: 666 Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 08:21
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Holding a poll is not necessarily going to get the right answer. Particularly if you confuse the issue by defying convention and numbering the lanes from right to left.

Posted by: The Slithy Tove Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 08:26
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There appear to be no road markings saying which lane for which direction on the A125, so in theory, either. Given no more information, I would choose 2, as there's less risk of cutting anyone off while having to move left. But it would depend on things like traffic levels at the time, and the "typical" movement of traffic across that junction at whatever time of day (if a regular user of the junction).

Posted by: mickT Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 08:30
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QUOTE (666 @ Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 09:21) *
Holding a poll is not necessarily going to get the right answer. Particularly if you confuse the issue by defying convention and numbering the lanes from right to left.


not looking for a right answer as i'm not sure there is one, just opinion

re. numbering, semantics surely, does it matter?

Posted by: BaggieBoy Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 08:34
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QUOTE (mickT @ Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 09:30) *
re. numbering, semantics surely, does it matter?

It might skew the voting. I almost didn't spot the numbering and would have assumed (whilst voting) that 1 was the left lane etc.

Posted by: Redivi Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 08:48
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I would take the left hand Lane #2

If you take Lane #1 you have to move over two lanes in a short distance
You also risk cutting up anyone in Lane #2 who continues round AND the traffic in Upper Rainham Road that wants to go right

Posted by: TryOut Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 09:02
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2 would cause less need to cut-across traffic and is likely to reduce congestion and the risk of collision and upset.

I would not be surprised at all if some drivers preferred lane 1 and to cut-across the traffic needlessly because some drivers "just have to be on and in the right".

If your "lane discipline" makes you prefer lane 1 then you would probably be outside of a group of drivers that were termed careful and competent. Hopefully all drivers would choose lane 2 if they were familiar with the road.

Just looked and see it is in Essex...nobody is really going to care.

Posted by: mickT Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 09:09
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QUOTE (TryOut @ Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 10:02) *
2 would cause less need to cut-across traffic and is likely to reduce congestion and the risk of collision and upset.

I would not be surprised at all if some drivers preferred lane 1 and to cut-across the traffic needlessly because some drivers "just have to be on and in the right".

If your "lane discipline" makes you prefer lane 1 then you would probably be outside of a group of drivers that were termed careful and competent. Hopefully all drivers would choose lane 2 if they were familiar with the road.

Just looked and see it is in Essex...nobody is really going to care.



greater London actually, even worse!

Posted by: DancingDad Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 09:14
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Purely depends on traffic.
1 gets you into the lane you want with least lane changes, would be my choice in light traffic.
2 is probably the more sensible initially but could leave you stuck in left lane when you want to be in right.

Posted by: Spandex Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 15:49
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Probably depends on what you mean by 'should'. The left lane is clearly going to be the easiest and safest as it allows you to move over at the next junction with only one further lane change. But based on the road markings alone, I guess a masochist could technically chose to go from the right lane all the way across in heavy London traffic.

Given that London drivers seem to see it as a personal failure if they allow someone change into their lane, I'd do everything I could to avoid having to hack across multiple lanes at the last second like that.

Posted by: Spandex Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 16:23
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 10:14) *
Purely depends on traffic.
1 gets you into the lane you want with least lane changes, would be my choice in light traffic.
2 is probably the more sensible initially but could leave you stuck in left lane when you want to be in right.

I'm not so sure. This isn't marked like a spiral roundabout, with overlapping lane markings .The short white lines on the road (at the northern tip of the triangle shaped island with the planters) guide lanes 2 and 3 (the OPS lanes 1 and 2) round to become lanes 3 and 4 in the short northbound 4 lane section. The straight white line also guides cars in lane 1 and 2 on Upper Rainham Road to go straight in lanes 1 and 2 on the short northbound section. Anything outside of that counts as a lane change to me - so moving from the right hand lane at the yellow arrow over to lane 2 in the short northbound section involves 2 lane changes.

Posted by: stamfordman Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 16:39
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Normally or in the past I would say this doesn't matter as traffic flowing at roughly the same speed allows for merging across lanes although one may have to speed up a bit or slow down to get across. But these days a lot of drivers are just much more aggressive or bloody minded and have abandoned give and take.

Like all such junctions only experience will show what is best to do if anything. I would certainly use both lanes usually. There are also problems caused by drivers rigidly using one lane causing showdowns and tailbacks while the other lane is empty.

Posted by: roythebus Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 21:08
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I would use whatever lane is empty at the time, then choose the lane I actually want when there's a space. this is London/Essex, so "country" conventions are irrelevant. whatever lane seems to be moving quickest.

Posted by: Formfeed Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 22:15
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I generally base my decision on what isn't going to put me at fault if there's a crash and balance that against whatever is moving and whether I'm overtaking / finished overtaking / anything else that compels me to move left.

There are some "obvious" ones, ie. take NS in order that you are NS at the four lane thing and your OS takes the two OS but you can guarantee someone will balls that up so I wouldn't rely on it.

What would be especially annoying is that anyone NS (your 2) should really take NS when making the left as they're not overtaking anything but if you assumed that you're going to get crashed in to when they arbitrarily choose OS at the blue stripe thing for what really should amount to no reason if you're the one looking to pass.

I think it looks like it would make slightly more sense to say OS (your 1) but there are too many prerequisites to make that a good idea, most notably the assumption that you are going to exit on the right of the picture.

So therefore 2 and deal with getting over to the right for the dot later, and in the event that you have traffic there to merge in to there are fewer assumptions being made and you have time to conduct without pressuring either yourself or other motorists as you would at the split.

Although its in the south so obviously people are going to cut you up or block you because they're southerners.

So on balance I'd like to answer that I'd move to the north where we don't have silly junction like that or where we do people on the most part get on with it without crashing.

Posted by: Charlie1010 Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 06:35
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I don’t live in the south but the north.
The drivers are just as bad up here and there are plenty of silly junctions.

Mirror signal manoeuvre.

Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 09:39
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I'd be in 2 to head for the yellow dot.
If i were in lane 1 a car in lane 2 could be trying to double back OR take the right hand of the two lanes towards the yellow dot, either of which is inconvenient and risks 'conflict' so I'd stick with making life easy. That said being in lane 1 wouldn't be 'wrong'.

Posted by: PASTMYBEST Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 09:48
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 10:39) *
I'd be in 2 to head for the yellow dot.
If i were in lane 1 a car in lane 2 could be trying to double back OR take the right hand of the two lanes towards the yellow dot, either of which is inconvenient and risks 'conflict' so I'd stick with making life easy. That said being in lane 1 wouldn't be 'wrong'.


The only sensible route

If you look at GSV that is IMO a good instructor (providing they want to go left at the next junction)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.564762,0.1889248,3a,75y,288.33h,74.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTzd1MSs6IdNEgRc_CtdxhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


Posted by: southpaw82 Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 10:10
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I’d let my driver worry about it.

Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 10:54
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 10:10) *
I’d let my driver worry about it.

Worry and that and then the tap on the head with your cane when he doesn't perform to the required standards no doubt?

Posted by: southpaw82 Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 11:33
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 11:54) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 10:10) *
I’d let my driver worry about it.

Worry and that and then the tap on the head with your cane when he doesn't perform to the required standards no doubt?

I’d have to lower the partition to do that.

Posted by: cp8759 Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 13:35
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 11:10) *
I’d let my driver worry about it.

Have you decided that relying on your DOV cover in the UK is too risky after all?

Posted by: stamfordman Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 13:53
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Bet your driver is called Parker.

Posted by: southpaw82 Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 14:14
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 14:35) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 21 Aug 2019 - 11:10) *
I’d let my driver worry about it.

Have you decided that relying on your DOV cover in the UK is too risky after all?

No, I just wouldn’t want to drive in London. Not used to your “big roads”.

Posted by: Earl Purple Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 09:59
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Depends what lanes the other lorries are in, ensure there is a lorry in each lane in busy traffic so there is no space for motorcycles to filter through, after all why should they get through quicker while you have to wait in traffic?


Posted by: Charlie1010 Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 10:08
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To make progress.

https://www.bmf.co.uk/news/show/10-tips-for-safe-motorcycle-filtering

Posted by: oldstoat Wed, 4 Sep 2019 - 15:21
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If I was in an HGV, any f:)k?n@ lane I wanted. But seriously I would be in the lane you have marked as 2, simply because it offers a bigger radius, as i go to the right and if I then discover I need to go left towards yellow dot, its bonus, but even if i then need to go towards the right I am still in the outide lane. Therefore allowing cars to go faster

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