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Daytona2
post Thu, 1 Aug 2019 - 16:54
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I've had my number taken twice today by the same bunch of Speedwatch people wearing police marked flourescent jackets when travelling below the speed limit. It's happened before in a different area as well. It didn't used to happen.

I'm wondering what rules the police have to adhere to about intimidation. I don't take kindly to having my details noted by police/police affiliated people in this circumstance. Isn't there some general concept about law abiding people being free to go about there lawful business without intimidation ?

I also wonder whether this is allowed under the data protection rules.
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post Fri, 2 Aug 2019 - 23:36
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Its a sorry state of affairs, when a subject of the Crown, cannot inform a sworn constable of a crime that they have witnessed and pass on all lawfully obtained evidence to the police

What are you smoking?

He can't tell us, that would be a breach of data protection


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post Sat, 3 Aug 2019 - 01:00
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The Data Protection Act 1998 seeks...

...nothing at all: apart from a couple of historic section of little importance, the Data Protection Act 1998 has been abolished.

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post Sat, 3 Aug 2019 - 02:41
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sake.

https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/...true&bhcp=1

The same principles apply.

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post Sat, 3 Aug 2019 - 16:18
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No, the principles under GDPR are different, the article you've linked to explains this in detail. Some principles that existed under the DPA 1998 no longer exist, but new principles have been introduced. It's not the same principles at all, at best you can say that some of the new principles are similar to the old ones.


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post Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 16:30
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I’ve read it just now again and it is pretty much the same apart from saying that things need to be more specific.
So being intimidated by folk trying to reduce the number of speeding drivers is as another poster has said says more about the driver.
They only take the reg numbers of those exceeding the limit.

So guilty? Upset at being spotted speeding?
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post Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 16:38
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They only take the reg numbers of those exceeding the limit.

That’s not what the OP said though. The OP’s view is that VRMs are being taken of vehicles that were not speeding.


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post Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 18:00
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They only take the reg numbers of those exceeding the limit.

That’s not what the OP said though. The OP’s view is that VRMs are being taken of vehicles that were not speeding.

Quite, and I very much doubt that recording such information (if that is what is happening) serves any lawful purpose at all.


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post Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 18:20
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They only take the reg numbers of those exceeding the limit.

That’s not what the OP said though. The OP’s view is that VRMs are being taken of vehicles that were not speeding.

Quite, and I very much doubt that recording such information (if that is what is happening) serves any lawful purpose at all.

And all it's going to do is worry or annoy a law abiding motorist and possibly distract him or her from driving normally.
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post Sat, 10 Aug 2019 - 06:25
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And all it's going to do is worry or annoy a law abiding motorist and possibly distract him or her from driving normally.
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If one is that easily distracted, worried or annoyed maybe best not to leave the house let alone drive anywhere.


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QUOTE (samthecat @ Sat, 10 Aug 2019 - 07:25) *
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And all it's going to do is worry or annoy a law abiding motorist and possibly distract him or her from driving normally.
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If one is that easily distracted, worried or annoyed maybe best not to leave the house let alone drive anywhere.

In an age when holding an apple is considered to be horrendously distracting, maybe they have a point.


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The OP may have said that but is it true?
Did the OP stop and ask them?

If it is then he should contact the Speedwatch folk or the police or the council.
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post Sun, 11 Aug 2019 - 11:46
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I'd stop, get out and walk around taking photos of all of them. See how they like it!
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I'd stop, get out and walk around taking photos of all of them. See how they like it!

It would certainly be rewardingly vengeful, but would it be legal? (genuine question).
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QUOTE (mike5100 @ Sun, 11 Aug 2019 - 13:17) *
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I'd stop, get out and walk around taking photos of all of them. See how they like it!

It would certainly be rewardingly vengeful, but would it be legal? (genuine question).

As "they" are under the direction and control of a registered data controller (i.e. the Chief Constable), there are restrictions placed on their ability to record and process personal data. However if you took photos of them and you were acting in a purely personal capacity, you would not be acting in the capacity of a data controller so there is nothing to stop you taking pictures.


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post Thu, 22 Aug 2019 - 17:36
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QUOTE (mike5100 @ Sun, 11 Aug 2019 - 13:17) *
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I'd stop, get out and walk around taking photos of all of them. See how they like it!

It would certainly be rewardingly vengeful, but would it be legal? (genuine question).

How would taking photos in a public place not be legal?
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QUOTE (whitewing @ Thu, 22 Aug 2019 - 18:36) *
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I'd stop, get out and walk around taking photos of all of them. See how they like it!

It would certainly be rewardingly vengeful, but would it be legal? (genuine question).

How would taking photos in a public place not be legal?

It wouldn't in itself - depends what you do with them.


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QUOTE (whitewing @ Thu, 22 Aug 2019 - 18:36) *
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I'd stop, get out and walk around taking photos of all of them. See how they like it!

It would certainly be rewardingly vengeful, but would it be legal? (genuine question).

How would taking photos in a public place not be legal?

So if I stood close to a mobile safety camera van taking pictures of it all day, the officers would not be within their rights to move me on? I'm intrigued.
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QUOTE (mike5100 @ Thu, 22 Aug 2019 - 19:09) *
So if I stood close to a mobile safety camera van taking pictures of it all day, the officers would not be within their rights to move me on? I'm intrigued.
Mike

As long as you were not obstructing them, or acting in any way that could be interpreted as aggressive or intimidating, then no, they'd have no right to move you on. I would add that if you have nothing better to do with your day than to stand near a camera van taking pictures, well that's a bit sad really.

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QUOTE (mike5100 @ Thu, 22 Aug 2019 - 19:09) *
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I'd stop, get out and walk around taking photos of all of them. See how they like it!

It would certainly be rewardingly vengeful, but would it be legal? (genuine question).

How would taking photos in a public place not be legal?

So if I stood close to a mobile safety camera van taking pictures of it all day, the officers would not be within their rights to move me on? I'm intrigued.
Mike

I don’t think you quite live in a police state.


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