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Hellfire8
post Wed, 2 Apr 2014 - 15:11
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Not for me but a friend is asking.

He went past a motorbike police officer who was facing down the hill on a duel carriageway with a mobile speed gun (radar version I am guessing) and was doing around 83/84mph. He wasn't pulled at the time but is worried he may receive an NIP but as far as I was aware the mobile guns only recorded speed, not photos and or took reg down, am I right in saying that if he was going to be caught for it he would've been pulled at the time,

According to him the officer was exactly like this (but actually sitting on the back of his bike at the time



Am I right or could he still get an NIP for it?

To add - He has stated he was driving with the flow of traffic, moving parallel with a car doing around the same speed at the time and with multiple cars/vehicles.

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post Wed, 2 Apr 2014 - 15:15
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QUOTE (Hellfire8 @ Wed, 2 Apr 2014 - 16:11) *
Am I right or could he still get an NIP for it?
Absolutely. It's more likely they would looking for really lairy speeds - and would have pulled. Normal enforcement starts at +10%+2mph. If they are going to issue a NIP then they have 14 days to send the 1st one to the registered keeper.

QUOTE (Hellfire8 @ Wed, 2 Apr 2014 - 16:11) *
To add - He has stated he was driving with the flow of traffic, moving parallel with a car doing around the same speed at the time and with multiple cars in the same area.
Flow of traffic is no defence...

Just to add that photo's/video aren't required although the device may have had such capability. However, more likely it was a laser-based device with accurate sighting to aim at individual vehicles.

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post Wed, 2 Apr 2014 - 15:17
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QUOTE (Hellfire8 @ Wed, 2 Apr 2014 - 16:11) *
Not for me but a friend is asking.

He went past a motorbike police officer who was facing down the hill on a duel carriageway with a mobile speed gun (radar version I am guessing) and was doing around 83/84mph. He wasn't pulled at the time but is worried he may receive an NIP but as far as I was aware the mobile guns only recorded speed, not photos and or took reg down, am I right in saying that if he was going to be caught for it he would've been pulled at the time,

According to him the officer was exactly like this (but actually sitting on the back of his bike at the time

Am I right or could he still get an NIP for it?

To add - He has stated he was driving with the flow of traffic, moving parallel with a car doing around the same speed at the time and with multiple cars/vehicles.

It would depend upon what type of equipment was being used.

Increasingly common is civilian based motorcycle enforcement using the Ranger system. This is laser based (not radar), exactly the same as in a van, but a bit more portable, everything being recorded to a hard drive and a media card.

If this was in use and a clear line of site was possible to the target vehicle in question, as opposed to going through start or end checks, then a NIP will result.

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post Wed, 2 Apr 2014 - 16:43
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QUOTE (justforthepictures @ Wed, 2 Apr 2014 - 16:17) *
QUOTE (Hellfire8 @ Wed, 2 Apr 2014 - 16:11) *
Not for me but a friend is asking.

He went past a motorbike police officer who was facing down the hill on a duel carriageway with a mobile speed gun (radar version I am guessing) and was doing around 83/84mph. He wasn't pulled at the time but is worried he may receive an NIP but as far as I was aware the mobile guns only recorded speed, not photos and or took reg down, am I right in saying that if he was going to be caught for it he would've been pulled at the time,

According to him the officer was exactly like this (but actually sitting on the back of his bike at the time

Am I right or could he still get an NIP for it?

To add - He has stated he was driving with the flow of traffic, moving parallel with a car doing around the same speed at the time and with multiple cars/vehicles.

It would depend upon what type of equipment was being used.

Increasingly common is civilian based motorcycle enforcement using the Ranger system. This is laser based (not radar), exactly the same as in a van, but a bit more portable, everything being recorded to a hard drive and a media card.

If this was in use and a clear line of site was possible to the target vehicle in question, as opposed to going through start or end checks, then a NIP will result.

I would suggest this isn't the Ranger system but rather an old fashioned Traffic bike Cop as he was sat astride the machine. That implies he was ready to go after any offenders which safety camera operators don't do.

If he recorded your speed on his device he simply reads your number plate as you go past and processes it in the same way as normal.

You will have to wait 14 days to find out.
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QUOTE (Hellfire8 @ Wed, 2 Apr 2014 - 16:11) *
Not for me but a friend is asking.

He went past a motorbike police officer who was facing down the hill on a duel carriageway with a mobile speed gun (radar version I am guessing) and was doing around 83/84mph. He wasn't pulled at the time but is worried he may receive an NIP but as far as I was aware the mobile guns only recorded speed, not photos and or took reg down, am I right in saying that if he was going to be caught for it he would've been pulled at the time,

According to him the officer was exactly like this (but actually sitting on the back of his bike at the time



Am I right or could he still get an NIP for it?

To add - He has stated he was driving with the flow of traffic, moving parallel with a car doing around the same speed at the time and with multiple cars/vehicles.

The device in the picture is an LTI20.20 TruCam. A laser and camera combination. See: http://www.teletrafficuk.com/products/spee...ndhelds/trucam/

The officer need not stop anyone at the time as the digital video camera records are read back at the police station and tickets sent out after the event.
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post Thu, 3 Apr 2014 - 17:55
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As SD says I suspect he was a real traffic officer and as such would only go after someone who stood out, no point going after someone at 10mph over the limit and missing those doing 20mph or more over while you are doing that stop.


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post Thu, 3 Apr 2014 - 18:01
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 3 Apr 2014 - 18:55) *
As SD says I suspect he was a real traffic officer and as such would only go after someone who stood out, no point going after someone at 10mph over the limit and missing those doing 20mph or more over while you are doing that stop.

And a real Traffic Officer will probably have a much higher threshold than a safety camera operator.
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