Disabled bay specification |
Disabled bay specification |
Tue, 2 Jun 2020 - 14:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 15 Feb 2014 Member No.: 68,786 |
Hi All is there a specification about in street disabled bays. We have one on our street marked up, there’s no plates, it just says the words disabled next to it. The bay itself is just the width of a car. Just watched a couple of enforcement officers ticket a car and said that it’s legal as it says disabled.
This post has been edited by flexeh: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 - 14:15 |
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Tue, 2 Jun 2020 - 16:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Hi All is there a specification about in street disabled bays. We have one on our street marked up, there’s no plates, it just says the words disabled next to it. The bay itself is just the width of a car. Just watched a couple of enforcement officers ticket a car and said that it’s legal as it says disabled. Until recently a disabled bay had to have a parking sign. There is a change in regulation that allows marked bays to have no sign but this is mainly intended for zones where reducing street clutter is the aim in my view. A bay without a sign has been advisory only and not enforceable. If it has a traffic order it may mean the parking sign is missing. Show us where this bay is on google street view See this for a current case where this issue has come up. http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=133806 This post has been edited by stamfordman: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 - 16:06 |
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Tue, 2 Jun 2020 - 17:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
This is a problem.
My council have advisory bays which look like a disabled bay without a sign, and they have de-cluttered bays which look like a disabled bay without a sign.... yup, no way of knowing which was which. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 2 Jun 2020 - 17:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
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Tue, 2 Jun 2020 - 19:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
The two locally are yet updated on GSV.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 2 Jun 2020 - 20:38
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
This is a problem. My council have advisory bays which look like a disabled bay without a sign, and they have de-cluttered bays which look like a disabled bay without a sign.... yup, no way of knowing which was which. Didn't we establish that "advisory" bays are illegal? -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 07:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
We did, but how do you get it removed?
Formal complaint to council, wont justify why they do it, the LGO wouldn’t hear my complaint as they said I wasn’t affected by it. Since then (that was about 10 years ago) they’ve put more in. This post has been edited by The Rookie: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 07:57 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 12:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
PAP letter.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 16:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Many councils have advisory bays - they are just cheap ways of providing a BB holder with a bogus bay. Some councils still tell people they are enforceable.
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 16:54
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 19:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Many councils have advisory bays - they are just cheap ways of providing a BB holder with a bogus bay. Some councils still tell people they are enforceable. Ours used to be visibly different to a real bay, a rectangle with a cross (think of a Saltire), still of dubious legality but at least you knew which was real and which was advisory. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Thu, 4 Jun 2020 - 22:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
You'd have to think something up. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 7 Jun 2020 - 11:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 15 Feb 2014 Member No.: 68,786 |
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Sun, 7 Jun 2020 - 11:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
And what would be the legal basis of the claim? Just as an embryonic idea, you could seek standing as a person entitled to park in non-disabled bays as well as advisory disabled bays, and bring the claim on the basis that the council was failing to comply with LATOR 18(1) and its reasons for so doing lack any rational foundation. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 8 Jun 2020 - 22:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,265 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
Same in Waltham Forest and they finally started making orders for them last year. Except they've started with all those still needed and left the disused ones to 'float' while they prioritise.
Given the history, local disabled people now don't understand the rules. I'm still not sure if you can park . unlimited or at all, with a BB or if you have to have a disabled resident permit too. Closely neighbouring Newham is completely different, adding to the confusion. There needs to be a blanket national rule on this. -------------------- |
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Tue, 9 Jun 2020 - 08:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
There needs to be a blanket national rule on this. But there is, it's just that councils ignore it. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Thu, 18 Jun 2020 - 08:00
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Member Group: Closed Posts: 9,710 Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Member No.: 11,355 |
Advisory, dedicated user or normal disabled bay the road marking counts as a traffic sign ergo the bay it covers must be to the dimensions set out in the TSRGDs unless the County Council has a DfT exemption.
From GSV it's too narrow and probably not enforceable for that reason. Mick |
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Thu, 18 Jun 2020 - 08:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
Advisory, dedicated user or normal disabled bay the road marking counts as a traffic sign ergo the bay it covers must be to the dimensions set out in the TSRGDs unless the County Council has a DfT exemption. From GSV it's too narrow and probably not enforceable for that reason. Mick When you look at GSV does anyone see any parking sign at all along that street? -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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