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MP4488
post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 09:38
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - November 2017
Date of the NIP: - 4 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 5 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A5199 Welford Road, Knighton, Leicester, UK
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Long stretch of road on Sunday morning, all cars on the road driving above the speed limit. Flashed by an opposite driver so slowed down and spotted the marked police car on the opposite side of the road.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

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Any help greatly appreciated, the time stamp and the speed/distance baffles me.

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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 10:01
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QUOTE (MP4488 @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 09:38) *
Any help greatly appreciated, the time stamp and the speed/distance baffles me.

Give us a clue...


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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MP4488
post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 10:17
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 10:01) *
QUOTE (MP4488 @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 09:38) *
Any help greatly appreciated, the time stamp and the speed/distance baffles me.

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10:49:40 46mph 0128.6m
10:49:42 46mph 0128.6m

By my calculations the vehicle should of moved at least 40meters in 2 seconds doing 46mph, but the second photo shows the same distance.

That is just my interpretation so looking for a bit of advice.
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BaggieBoy
post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 10:22
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Looks normal, your speed was detected at 128.6m. What you are seeing are two stills from the video used to record the detection. The detected speed/distance is overlaid on the video stream for a short period. If you were expecting the distance to have changed in 2 seconds, it's not how it works. The speed/distance is usually obtained only once, it's not a continuous process.
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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 11:08
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These are stills from the video recording using the Concept 2 system.
The top row is:
  • time in hours minutes and seconds
  • field number for the video (PAL video has 25 frames per second and 50 fields)
  • operator and location code
  • asterix showing the recorded speed is above the threshold set by the operator
  • speed recorded
second row is:
  • date
  • distance speed was recorded
the white numbers are the time duration of the video recording.
As explained above, the speed and distance from are from one shot of the car and then stay on the screen for a few seconds. The first still is probably the actual shot, or very close to it. The white boxes in the second shot are to show that this still is not from when the speed and distance were recorded but were obtained earlier.
The cross hairs are simply a graphic an overlay on the video and should be aligned with the laser speed gun beam at the start of the check to show on the video where the speed gun was pointing. Looking at the stills, this appears to be a perfect shot - it even shows the driver well.
You need to reply within the 28 day period to identify the driver.


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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 11:48
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46 is too fast for a course, so you should be offered a fixed penalty of £100 + 3 points.


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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 11:56
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QUOTE (MP4488 @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 10:17) *
QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 10:01) *
QUOTE (MP4488 @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 09:38) *
Any help greatly appreciated, the time stamp and the speed/distance baffles me.

Give us a clue...


10:49:40 46mph 0128.6m
10:49:42 46mph 0128.6m

By my calculations the vehicle should of moved at least 40meters in 2 seconds doing 46mph, but the second photo shows the same distance.

That is just my interpretation so looking for a bit of advice.

Ok, as explained already the speed measurement is virtually instantaneous (around 1/3 second) and is not the time taken between 2 points to calculate the speed.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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Logician
post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 12:59
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There was not much point in redacting your reg number and leaving your name!


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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 17:27
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 11:56) *
QUOTE (MP4488 @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 10:17) *
QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 10:01) *
QUOTE (MP4488 @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 09:38) *
Any help greatly appreciated, the time stamp and the speed/distance baffles me.

Give us a clue...


10:49:40 46mph 0128.6m
10:49:42 46mph 0128.6m

By my calculations the vehicle should of moved at least 40meters in 2 seconds doing 46mph, but the second photo shows the same distance.

That is just my interpretation so looking for a bit of advice.

Ok, as explained already the speed measurement is virtually instantaneous (around 1/3 second) and is not the time taken between 2 points to calculate the speed.

Correct, but it is the distance travelled and the time taken between 40 points.

Seems an optimum measurement to me.
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Jlc
post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 18:39
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QUOTE (superSmiffy @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 17:27) *
Correct, but it is the distance travelled and the time taken between 40 points.

Seems an optimum measurement to me.

Indeed, around 6 metres or so (assuming sufficient data points corroborate the measurement) - but not distance over time like the OP was trying to calculate around 2 seconds.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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