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HORSE123
post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:25
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officer was standing next to the bridge
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letter i received

no actual speed just exceed 30 mph on restricted road, but i was driving down a dual carriage way onto another dual slip road.....im so confused.

any tips and help figuring this out


Thanks

btw clean license no points
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peterguk
post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:27
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Speed limit on the DC in your GSV appears to be 30mph.

What did you think the limit was?

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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:36
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Dual carriageway with street lights less than 200 yards apart and no other limit = restricted road = 30 mph.


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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:40
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:27) *
Speed limit on the DC in your GSV appears to be 30mph.

What did you think the limit was?


i was doing a little over 30 and checking side mirror to join the slip road.

shouldnt i have had a exact speed on this letter?
and how can i view the evidence, as theres no website link.... i do have a ref number but i cannot fathom where i can enter that to get more details.

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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:41
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QUOTE (HORSE123 @ Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:40) *
shouldnt i have had a exact speed on this letter?


There's no requirement. It merely has to tell you the offence (speeding).

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and how can i view the evidence, as theres no website link.... i do have a ref number but i cannot fathom where i can enter that to get more details.

Do they say they make the evidence available? Again, there's no requirement to.


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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:51
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:41) *
QUOTE (HORSE123 @ Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:40) *
shouldnt i have had a exact speed on this letter?


There's no requirement. It merely has to tell you the offence (speeding).

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and how can i view the evidence, as theres no website link.... i do have a ref number but i cannot fathom where i can enter that to get more details.

Do they say they make the evidence available? Again, there's no requirement to.

so i name the driver send it back then get more details?
points course, bann? etc

also becuase its so close to christmas can i wait a while before responding ?

i cant really afford any fines so close to this festive period.

will they send out more letters if i do not respond in the 1st 3 weeks do they send out any reminders?

also why did they not include a stamped addressed envelope for the return of this form?

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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:53
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Let me guess, the junction of the North Circular and Edgware Road? It is a locally notorious area where for an operator with a speed gun it is like shooting fish in a barrel. A dual carriageway is no different to any other road (except a motorway) if it has a system of street lighting it will be a restricted road subject to a 30mph limit unless a higher limit is indicated by signs. There are no other signs there, so it is a 30mph limit. There is no requirement to tell you the alleged speed but if you write back requesting any available photographs to assist in identifying the driver they may supply one or a website link. Do not ask for evidence, you have no entitlement to that at this stage. This does not extend the 28 limit you have to respond, but of course do not name the driver before asking for the photo.


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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:56
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QUOTE (HORSE123 @ Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 21:51) *
will they send out more letters if i do not respond in the 1st 3 weeks do they send out any reminders?

also why did they not include a stamped addressed envelope for the return of this form?


You have 28 days to reply. If you fail to do so you will be guilty of a more serious offence.

There is no obligation to send reminders. Why should they include an SAE?


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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 22:06
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Replying will cost you at least £100 and 3 points or a little less for a course, depending on the speed, plus an envelope and stamp. Not replying in time on the basis that Christmas is coming is liable to cost you 6 points and a great deal more money.


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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 22:13
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QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 22:06) *
Replying will cost you at least £100 and 3 points or a little less for a course, depending on the speed, plus an envelope and stamp. Not replying in time on the basis that Christmas is coming is liable to cost you 6 points and a great deal more money.


if i was going 60?

how many points then?

yep that intersection never traveled at that time used to driving there late night but i was forced to overtake a car as he was riding his brake as he was in the wrong lane on round about and then got ahead of me and started acting aggressively until i overtook and got snapped by the motorbike cooper

disappointed at best........

not really sure where he snapped me but when i passed the cooper i was joing edgwareroad.

wont respond to them until 3rd week as i cannot afford to payt out any money before xmas

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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 22:19
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QUOTE (HORSE123 @ Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 22:13) *
if i was going 60?


That'll be a court visit and will likely result in 6 points or a ban.



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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 22:23
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60 in a 30 limit is too fast for a fixed penalty so it will be dealt with by a court. The guideline for that is a ban of 7 to 56 days or 6 points, and a fine of 150% of your net weekly income, less 33% for a guilty plea, plus a surcharge of 10% (minimum £30) plus costs of £85. 6 points is the most likely outcome. In a 30mph limit it goes to court for anything over 50, or 55 in a few areas. A course may be offered up to 42. If you are going to court that may not be for months and the advantage of a court is that you can request time to pay.


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post Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 22:34
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QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Dec 2017 - 22:23) *
60 in a 30 limit is too fast for a fixed penalty so it will be dealt with by a court. The guideline for that is a ban of 7 to 56 days or 6 points, and a fine of 150% of your net weekly income, less 33% for a guilty plea, plus a surcharge of 10% (minimum £30) plus costs of £85. 6 points is the most likely outcome. In a 30mph limit it goes to court for anything over 50, or 55 in a few areas. A course may be offered up to 42. If you are going to court that may not be for months and the advantage of a court is that you can request time to pay.


thank you guys, im not sure where he nabbed me during my overtake or joing the slipstream, so unsure of actual speed.

but fingers crossed its the lesser one.

Thanks and goodnight
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