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[NIP Wizard] Incorrect date on NIP, already filled out
Valiante
post Thu, 9 Nov 2017 - 13:39
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - November 2017
Date of the NIP: - 5 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 6 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A127 ARTERIAL RD, LEIGH ON SEA AT ITS J/W BELLHOUSE LANE
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - On the date of the offence, no one was driving the vehicle, it was locked safely in my garage.

It may have been driven at the location of the offence two days later, at exactly the same time, so I suspect the date on the camera/NIP is merely incorrect, but I believe I don't need to share this particular piece of information with the authorities?

Also I filled out Section A of the NIP before I realised the date was wrong, so I'm not sure what to do with it at this point.


NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - No
Do you know who was driving? - No

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:

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post Thu, 9 Nov 2017 - 13:53
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Is there any response on the form appropriate for that circumstance? If not I would write a letter stating that on the date in question the vehicle was not driven at all, it was locked in your garage all day, and cannot have been at the location given, so possibly the number plate has been misread. You have not completed the form as no appropriate option is given on it.

In point of fact it is always open to you to reply by way of a letter instead of completing the form.


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post Thu, 9 Nov 2017 - 15:23
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Don’t respond too soon so that there isn’t time to issue a new nip
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post Thu, 9 Nov 2017 - 16:08
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What is the alleged offence, is it one that would have been recorded on camera or by a witness only?

You are required to provide the information requested, not second guess what other question may be meant by it.


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post Thu, 9 Nov 2017 - 16:56
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If there was a problem with the date on the camera then one would expect many people to report the 'issue'. The camera unit should then respond accordingly.

I would ensure 14 days have passed from the date of the offence and make a 'bemused' phone call. Alternatively, (or in addition) you could request a photograph to assist with the identification of the driver - and see if they send the data block.

Do you know what sort of camera it is? (EDIT: Appears to be this static camera)

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

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post Thu, 9 Nov 2017 - 23:35
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If you're sure the date is incorrect, they will probably figure it out eventually, but hopefully not within 14 days...

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Valiante
post Fri, 10 Nov 2017 - 11:55
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Thanks for all your replies - for some reason I haven't had any email notifications - still figuring out the forum settings.

Anyhow, no I've no intention of responding before their 14 days are up. My main concern is with the fact I'd already filled in the form saying I was the driver before I noticed the date was wrong (it's definitely wrong, I went through that camera on Sunday 5th, while the NIP states 03/11 - a Friday - at which time I'd have been working). So I'm ok to just send a response in the form of a letter, and not send the form, since it doesn't really give an appropriate option for the situation.

Also the camera is a red-light camera, not a gatso with calibration lines - I didn't know (until now) they could get you for speeding. The light was green so I thought I was all good. But I digress..

Will wait it out for now and see if they notice their mistake within the next couple of weeks. If not, I'll write back, without sending the completed form and hope that doesn't cause more trouble.
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post Fri, 10 Nov 2017 - 11:59
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Yes, many such cameras are speed on green...

You do not have to use their form (but is usually more convenient and avoids some issues) - but the requirements remain the same. (Which in normal circumstances would require signing/dating etc.)

But I'd do the bemused phone call first.

QUOTE (Valiante @ Fri, 10 Nov 2017 - 11:55) *
My main concern is with the fact I'd already filled in the form saying I was the driver before I noticed the date was wrong (it's definitely wrong, I went through that camera on Sunday 5th, while the NIP states 03/11 - a Friday - at which time I'd have been working).

Just to cover bases - could anyone else have been driving at that time/location?

There are some other possibilities such as plate misread or clone. (The former being not that uncommon)

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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Valiante
post Thu, 23 Nov 2017 - 08:12
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Fri, 10 Nov 2017 - 11:59) *
Just to cover bases - could anyone else have been driving at that time/location?


Sorry, still not getting notifications for replies. No, the alleged vehicle is my sports bike, which I only use very infrequently (for the occasional Sunday fair-weather ride). No one else has access to it or permission to ride it, I hold all the keys. I use my other bike daily for work, but on the alleged date (a Friday) I was working from home, so that was also locked away securely. I only use my car occasionally.

It has now been 20 days since the alleged offence and 18 days since I last used the alleged vehicle, particularly at the alleged location wink.gif and no corrected NIP has been received, so I'll be writing and posting my response today. Fingers crossed!
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post Thu, 23 Nov 2017 - 09:34
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Fri, 10 Nov 2017 - 11:59) *
I'd do the bemused phone call first.



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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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Valiante
post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 15:35
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I appreciate and thank you for your advice, Jlc, but I couldn't bring myself to make the phone call for fear of not knowing what to say - I'm far better at putting things in writing than thinking on my feet.

I have just today received the following letter in response to mine;

Dear Mr Valiante,

I refer to a traffic offence, as referenced above, and your subsequent response to the paperwork we sent you concerning the matter.

I have had the camera film evidence re-checked, following this review it was found that there has been a process error and therefore I have arranged for this offence to be withdrawn. In view of this circumstance I am able to inform you that NO FURTHER ACTION will be taken in this matter.

I apologise that this error was not picked up by our check procedures prior to the notices being sent out to you.

Yours sincerely,

CREEST Office Manager


So not only did I have the offence withdrawn, I got an apology for their error! I'm so glad I spotted the erroneous date before I sent the form back!

Thanks again for everyone's replies. This one turned out well!

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post Thu, 30 Nov 2017 - 16:21
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They should have gone to Specsavers... wink.gif


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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