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Save the Children boss quit after admitting to sending ‘unsuitable and thoughtless’ texts to female members of staff
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post Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 22:43
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First Oxfam, now this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/20...ropriate-texts/

The former chief executive of Save the Children resigned after he admitted making "unsuitable and thoughtless" comments to three young female members of staff, it emerged on Tuesday.

Justin Forsyth, who is now deputy executive director at Unicef, "apologised unreservedly" to the women after sending them text messages commenting on how they looked and what they were wearing.



My £5pm is now going to https://www.guidedogs.org.uk/

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post Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 23:15
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Obviously the recipient of any donation you make is your decision, however, I can only see your actions having a detrimental effect on the very children you were previously supporting !!
As with people who ceased contributions to Oxfam.

Let the many suffering, suffer more due to the actions of one or a few.
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post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 00:03
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I hate to say it but I have always been very reticent to donate to charity after doing some work as a contractor at Oxfam's head offices

Staff who make no secret of the fact that placements overboard are a free holiday.
Some of the most luxurious offices I have seen.
Highly paid staff who have very little to do.

The work I was doing involved machinery that was fairly cheap to repair. But I was told no, everything must be new, basically so there were shiny toys to pay with.

Now I only donate if I am sure they are taking reasonable steps to minimise admin costs.
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post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 00:17
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 00:03) *
I hate to say it but I have always been very reticent to donate to charity after doing some work as a contractor at Oxfam's head offices

Staff who make no secret of the fact that placements overboard are a free holiday.
Some of the most luxurious offices I have seen.
Highly paid staff who have very little to do.

The work I was doing involved machinery that was fairly cheap to repair. But I was told no, everything must be new, basically so there were shiny toys to pay with.

Now I only donate if I am sure they are taking reasonable steps to minimise admin costs.


I have heard similar.

I know a (unpaid) guide dog foster parent/trainer, she is 100% legit. She also trains assistance dogs. I need of of those to make me a toasted cheese sandwich.
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post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 03:37
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Would expect most new machinery to be shiny scrap after a few months because nobody will have the resources, skills or specialist spare parts to maintain and repair it
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post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 11:01
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 03:37) *
Would expect most new machinery to be shiny scrap after a few months because nobody will have the resources, skills or specialist spare parts to maintain and repair it


Aye, difficult to get those things in admin offices in UK.
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post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 11:18
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 03:37) *
Would expect most new machinery to be shiny scrap after a few months because nobody will have the resources, skills or specialist spare parts to maintain and repair it

That was why I was there, I repaired them as well as supplying new!

It was kitchen machinery about 18 months old, I reckoned each one would cost about £200 to repair with guarantee. New ones £900. It was clear when I was explaining it they had already decided they wanted new.

The reason why they were broken was because they hadn't followed the cleaning and operating instructions.

I took the old ones and sold them for (a different) charity, minus the cost of parts.

I was just really aware that those machines 90 people had donated £10 a month thinking it was going to some starving African kid, not on replacing repairable appliances.
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post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 11:57
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I can't say which charity it is but I know of charities who are happy on paying upwards of six figure sums a year for a contract for donor management systems.

They literally do not give a sh*t, even if the result is sh*t

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A lot of charities seem to have mislaid their moral compass, IMO. For example, employing chuggers, endlessly spamming anyone daft enough to make a one-off donation and give them contact details (which is why they're so keen on text-based donations - it gives them the mark's mobile number), and whoring out their name and reputation to commercial "charity" second-hand clothes collectors for a few percent of the proceeds. All doubtless justified to themselves on the basis that they're raising the money to do good, rather like Oxfam's excuse for not reporting their offending staff in Haiti to the authorities at the time.


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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 11:18) *
QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 03:37) *
Would expect most new machinery to be shiny scrap after a few months because nobody will have the resources, skills or specialist spare parts to maintain and repair it

That was why I was there, I repaired them as well as supplying new!

It was kitchen machinery about 18 months old, I reckoned each one would cost about £200 to repair with guarantee. New ones £900. It was clear when I was explaining it they had already decided they wanted new.

The reason why they were broken was because they hadn't followed the cleaning and operating instructions.

I took the old ones and sold them for (a different) charity, minus the cost of parts.

I was just really aware that those machines 90 people had donated £10 a month thinking it was going to some starving African kid, not on replacing repairable appliances.

I had been mind equipment for use in the field

Have seen reports of pumps for raising water that couldn't be used because seals weren't or couldn't be replaced

QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 12:10) *
A lot of charities seem to have mislaid their moral compass, IMO. For example, employing chuggers, endlessly spamming anyone daft enough to make a one-off donation and give them contact details (which is why they're so keen on text-based donations - it gives them the mark's mobile number), and whoring out their name and reputation to commercial "charity" second-hand clothes collectors for a few percent of the proceeds. All doubtless justified to themselves on the basis that they're raising the money to do good, rather like Oxfam's excuse for not reporting their offending staff in Haiti to the authorities at the time.

Definitely agree about the chuggers

A team for one of the deafness charities has been working in Skegness for a few days

They insist on approaching people that are obviously doing their best to pass at a distance, turn their backs and avoid avoid eye contact
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Refusing to donate to a charity because some employees behaved badly is like refusing to shop at Tesco because one of their employees behaved badly.


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QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 13:53) *
Refusing to donate to a charity because some employees behaved badly is like refusing to shop at Tesco because one of their employees behaved badly.


Uhm.
One hurts innocent people that the charity is supposed to be helping.
The other hurts a multi million pound private business that exists solely on selling goods to customers.


QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 12:10) *
A lot of charities seem to have mislaid their moral compass, ...........


I'm not sure many had one to start with.

While I'm not too fussed if a charity worker has an urge and scratches it with a prostitute wherever, some of the reports suggest it went further, grooming people they were supposed to be helping.
Big issue to me is that the managers and ultimately directors seem to have condoned the whole issue.
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Big charities are big businesses. It really shouldn't be surprising to anyone that they are run similarly. How else would they run? Here's another shocker: big news businesses are also just big businesses. Not making a profit isn't really a good yardstick: No smaller a big business than Amazon went years and years without making any profit at all...

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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 14:38) *
QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 13:53) *
Refusing to donate to a charity because some employees behaved badly is like refusing to shop at Tesco because one of their employees behaved badly.


Uhm.
One hurts innocent people that the charity is supposed to be helping.
The other hurts a multi million pound private business that exists solely on selling goods to customers.





I doubt nigelbb was suggesting it was an exact comparison but I got his point ..... nose and face comes to mind !!!
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QUOTE (StuartBu @ Fri, 23 Feb 2018 - 12:16) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 14:38) *
QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 13:53) *
Refusing to donate to a charity because some employees behaved badly is like refusing to shop at Tesco because one of their employees behaved badly.


Uhm.
One hurts innocent people that the charity is supposed to be helping.
The other hurts a multi million pound private business that exists solely on selling goods to customers.





I doubt nigelbb was suggesting it was an exact comparison but I got his point ..... nose and face comes to mind !!!


Only if Tesco is the only option for your shopping.
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 23 Feb 2018 - 12:38) *
QUOTE (StuartBu @ Fri, 23 Feb 2018 - 12:16) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 14:38) *
QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 13:53) *
Refusing to donate to a charity because some employees behaved badly is like refusing to shop at Tesco because one of their employees behaved badly.


Uhm.
One hurts innocent people that the charity is supposed to be helping.
The other hurts a multi million pound private business that exists solely on selling goods to customers.





I doubt nigelbb was suggesting it was an exact comparison but I got his point ..... nose and face comes to mind !!!


Only if Tesco is the only option for your shopping.

I was highlighting that it's just as illogical to stop donating to a charity as using a particular shop just because of an individual employee's behaviour.

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Some interesting reading on the Army forum from guys/gals who have first hand experience.

HERE

Be aware strong language at times.
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Too many pages to go through but definitely agree with the consensus do-not-give list and, where I have experience, with the reasons
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post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 21:53
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 08:55) *
Too many pages

Where?
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At Paulajayne's link

The forum has 21 pages on the subject
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