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Lionman
post Fri, 22 Mar 2019 - 12:23
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I parked for about 20 minutes in a pub car park. The pub has been completely closed for 6 months! The car park states it is for pub customers only. I assumed that because it is currently impossible to be a pub customer I would be ok. Wrong.

London Parking Solutions issued a £60 PCN rising to £100 if not received within the next 10 days.

I appealed immediately.

My question is how often do LPS take people to small claims court. On another forum someone looked into it and the 'company' is run by a husband and wife team. The video cameras they are using are working perfectly though, they have many timed photos of my car in the car park.

As a side issue, surely if the car park currently cannot be used by anyone - as the pub is closed down - surely there should be a barrier preventing entry otherwise it is just an inviting trap - an empty car park, situated right next to an overly packed car park, run by the very same LPS.

I should add - I did exactly the same again 2 weeks' later so I can expect another similar notice through the post.

This kind of 'fine' is hugely annoying and morally dubious.

This post has been edited by Lionman: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 - 12:25
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ManxRed
post Fri, 22 Mar 2019 - 12:38
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I wonder who the owner of the land is, and whether LPS have a contract with them to provide services (something they need if they are to operate a parking scheme). It may be that they do, but its a good angle to pursue.

What signs are in place within the car park? Do you have, or can you get, a pic?

Did your appeal admit to who was driving?


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Lionman
post Fri, 22 Mar 2019 - 12:42
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I did state I parked there in the appeal. See attached photo of the parking information at the car park.
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post Fri, 22 Mar 2019 - 12:57
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They are just offering parking to customers only. No offer of parking to others, a prohibiting sign that does not create a contract
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post Sat, 23 Mar 2019 - 08:57
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Is this the Princess Alice in Thamesmead? If so the leasehold has been for sale since at least October last year:

https://www.fleurets.com/search.html

https://www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk/2018/1...ehold-for-sale/

It is currently owned by Milton Pubs and Taverns, an arm of Aprirose Real estate investment company who bought it from Mitchell & Butler in 2017, so who LPS have their contract with must be important in this instance.

http://www.gordoncharles.co.uk/news/monday-22nd-october/

https://www.thecaterer.com/articles/506336/...ls-butlers-pubs

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Lionman
post Tue, 26 Mar 2019 - 12:18
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QUOTE (kaffenback @ Sat, 23 Mar 2019 - 08:57) *
Is this the Princess Alice in Thamesmead? If so the leasehold has been for sale since at least October last year:

https://www.fleurets.com/search.html

https://www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk/2018/1...ehold-for-sale/

It is currently owned by Milton Pubs and Taverns, an arm of Aprirose Real estate investment company who bought it from Mitchell & Butler in 2017, so who LPS have their contract with must be important in this instance.

http://www.gordoncharles.co.uk/news/monday-22nd-october/

https://www.thecaterer.com/articles/506336/...ls-butlers-pubs


Thanks for your sleuthing. Yes it is the Princess Alice. And yes, whether LPS have a new contract with the new owners is important.
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