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BUS LANE penalty notice from (surprise) Cardiff council after 3 years!
TouringMuso01
post Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 21:02
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I just received today a charge notice apparently from Cardiff Council threatening all sorts of action from full penalty payments of hundreds of pounds to seizing assets etc.

It states that I did not respond to an initial penalty notice - a notice that I never received and have no knowledge of. More interestingly the apparent contravention is dated as 2016 nearly 3 years ago!

At first I thought this was a scam - but seems like a legit letter.

The letter I received had a last chance offer of over £125 on it however this 14 day period has now expired as the letter was dated start of September and I received it yesterday.

I have no knowledge of the incident it refers to and I haven't been to Cardiff for at least 3 years


What should I do with this and how should I proceed in replying? The threatening nature of this is concerning me and as I never received anything relating to this previously I don't know how best to deal with this. Im now worried how they will react to this apparent 'non compliance'

Can this be legit or applicable nearly 3 years after the fact....??
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post Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 21:53
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we need to see the documents


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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 22:53) *
we need to see the documents

innit.

QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 22:02) *
I just received today a charge notice apparently from Cardiff Council



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over £125


Does not add up.


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TouringMuso01
post Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 22:28
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Scans attached...
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post Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 22:33
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Presumably you were the RK of the vehicle mentioned in the letter on the date mentioned?


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post Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 23:00
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 23:12) *
QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 22:02) *
over £125


So that's £105 then?

It's a nasty, disingenous letter; probably unlawful imo, as it implies a warrant will be granted and enforcement agents engaged,
at extra cost to you, without mentioning that there is action you can take.

So tell us what might have caused you to not receive the PCN and two subsequent notices?


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QUOTE (peterguk @ Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 23:33) *
Presumably you were the RK of the vehicle mentioned in the letter on the date mentioned?




I was yes - the letter references my correct registration.

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post Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 23:17
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QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 00:12) *
QUOTE (peterguk @ Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 23:33) *
Presumably you were the RK of the vehicle mentioned in the letter on the date mentioned?


I was yes - the letter references my correct registration.


And would your V5C have been up to date with correct address? Chances of at least 3 letters from council going missing is vanishingly unlikely.

Did you move address at around the time of contravention date?

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TouringMuso01
post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 17:45
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Everything up to date my end - not moved address for 3.5 years (although Im hardly ever there).


The whys and wherefores behind items 'vanishing' are immaterial - the fact is this is the first time Im hearing about this incident 2.5 years after it allegedly happened. I certainly had no inkling at the time I had been flashed or booked for anything at all.

Are you saying I should have received 3 letters over the last few years from the same department BEFORE this one??

If thats the case then what is the best way to proceed? Obviously Im going to call the council and find out whats happening but certainly don't want to make the situation worse.
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QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 18:45) *
Everything up to date my end - not moved address for 3.5 years (although Im hardly ever there).


The whys and wherefores behind items 'vanishing' are immaterial - the fact is this is the first time Im hearing about this incident 2.5 years after it allegedly happened. I certainly had no inkling at the time I had been flashed or booked for anything at all.

Are you saying I should have received 3 letters over the last few years from the same department BEFORE this one??

If thats the case then what is the best way to proceed? Obviously Im going to call the council and find out whats happening but certainly don't want to make the situation worse.


well dont call them then. Call TEC on this number tel:0300 123 1059 ask them first has the PCN been registered, if so ask when. Then come back and let us know


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post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 18:17
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QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 18:45) *
Everything up to date my end - not moved address for 3.5 years (although Im hardly ever there).


Have you looked at the V5C log book doc and checked the name and address?

If you're hardly ever there does someone else deal with the post?

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post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 18:50
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 19:17) *
QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 18:45) *
Everything up to date my end - not moved address for 3.5 years (although Im hardly ever there).


Have you looked at the V5C log book doc and checked the name and address?

If you're hardly ever there does someone else deal with the post?



My name and address on my V5C are all correct.


My post is usually left for me by another tenant who has access to the post box. Not aware of any issues of not receiving mail previously.

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QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 18:45) *
Everything up to date my end - not moved address for 3.5 years (although Im hardly ever there).


The whys and wherefores behind items 'vanishing' are immaterial - the fact is this is the first time Im hearing about this incident 2.5 years after it allegedly happened. I certainly had no inkling at the time I had been flashed or booked for anything at all.

Are you saying I should have received 3 letters over the last few years from the same department BEFORE this one??

If thats the case then what is the best way to proceed? Obviously Im going to call the council and find out whats happening but certainly don't want to make the situation worse.


well dont call them then. Call TEC on this number tel:0300 123 1059 ask them first has the PCN been registered, if so ask when. Then come back and let us know




Thanks,

Will call that number tomorrow and ask for info.

Is it not a good idea to contact the council to discuss this as soon as possible?
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QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 19:50) *
Will call that number tomorrow and ask for info.

All you need to know is as PMB said; has the debt been registered.
Then we get it reset. Straightforward.

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Is it not a good idea to contact the council to discuss this as soon as possible?

There's nothing you need from them at the moment.

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QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 19:50) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 19:17) *
QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 18:45) *
Everything up to date my end - not moved address for 3.5 years (although Im hardly ever there).


Have you looked at the V5C log book doc and checked the name and address?

If you're hardly ever there does someone else deal with the post?



My name and address on my V5C are all correct.


My post is usually left for me by another tenant who has access to the post box. Not aware of any issues of not receiving mail previously.

QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 18:53) *
QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 18:45) *
Everything up to date my end - not moved address for 3.5 years (although Im hardly ever there).


The whys and wherefores behind items 'vanishing' are immaterial - the fact is this is the first time Im hearing about this incident 2.5 years after it allegedly happened. I certainly had no inkling at the time I had been flashed or booked for anything at all.

Are you saying I should have received 3 letters over the last few years from the same department BEFORE this one??

If thats the case then what is the best way to proceed? Obviously Im going to call the council and find out whats happening but certainly don't want to make the situation worse.


well dont call them then. Call TEC on this number tel:0300 123 1059 ask them first has the PCN been registered, if so ask when. Then come back and let us know




Thanks,

Will call that number tomorrow and ask for info.

Is it not a good idea to contact the council to discuss this as soon as possible?


No once re set it is very likely that this will be thrown out by the tribunal as being unfair due to the time involved. don't forewarn the council. also though will need to do a bit of digging the signage was found inadequate and the PCN's fataly flawed at that time

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post Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 21:25
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Great, thanks guys.

Will hopefully get an update tomorrow!
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QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 22:25) *
Will hopefully get an update tomorrow!

Be patient for phone to be picked up - they will eventually.

They will first ask the PCN number. If they have no record of it then the debt is not yet registered.
Just repeat it once to check.
If still no, tell us and make a note to check again in 10 days.

If it has been registered, ask them to e-mail the appropriate form(s) to you and ask your deadline
to act. It should be only form TE9.

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QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 19:50) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 19:17) *

Have you looked at the V5C log book doc and checked the name and address?


My name and address on my V5C are all correct.

He didn't ask you that: He meant, have you actually dug it out and checked that all of the detail is correct, since
being asked?
Daft question? Nope; plenty of previous posters have given us reason to ask and, should anything go awry
with your checks with TEC, leaves concern as to whether you will receive the next, crucial, document.


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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 12:58
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 01:00) *
QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 22:25) *
Will hopefully get an update tomorrow!

Be patient for phone to be picked up - they will eventually.

They will first ask the PCN number. If they have no record of it then the debt is not yet registered.
Just repeat it once to check.
If still no, tell us and make a note to check again in 10 days.

If it has been registered, ask them to e-mail the appropriate form(s) to you and ask your deadline
to act. It should be only form TE9.

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Can we just clear one matter up while we have the chance >
QUOTE (TouringMuso01 @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 19:50) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 2 Oct 2018 - 19:17) *

Have you looked at the V5C log book doc and checked the name and address?


My name and address on my V5C are all correct.

He didn't ask you that: He meant, have you actually dug it out and checked that all of the detail is correct, since
being asked?
Daft question? Nope; plenty of previous posters have given us reason to ask and, should anything go awry
with your checks with TEC, leaves concern as to whether you will receive the next, crucial, document.



`sorry , maybe daft question - do you mean MY physical paper copy of the V5C?
I have gone through that and all details are indeed correct.....
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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 13:05
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Ok, good.

TEC ?


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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 13:37
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 14:05) *
Ok, good.

TEC ?


Still on hold!
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post Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 14:35
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Wed, 3 Oct 2018 - 14:05) *
Ok, good.

TEC ?



Right, according to TEC - the PCN is NOT yet registered with court and not on their records - still with the council.
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