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post Wed, 25 May 2022 - 10:45
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We recently hired a car and after a month the car hire company sent us an admin fee and advised us we had been issued a fine by the lincs police. We went online to the TPU site and we had 5 fines all for doing like 35.3 to 39 MPH in a 30 zone.

On the left-hand side of the notice online you have 6 boxes that tick green when you go through the sections however the last box was auto ticked green and it says "
Notice Cancelled on 06/05/2022 at 12:15:29" This is on 3 out of the 5 notices of intended prosecution but the other 2 don't have that box ticked its open.

Does this mean the speeding ticket has been cancelled or because it was more than 28 days that we haven't replied as the ticket went via the car hire company and then to our address abroad that it has been sent to the courts?

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Can you post a redqcted copy the notices for 34 mph ? That would be pf much interest.
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Unless anybody is familiar with the systems and processes used by that force, it could mean anything. What the sections "mean" and what they say are often quite different - for instance some forces record a "reminder" notice as a new driver nomination as that is how their particular sausage machine system generates notices.

If this becomes a meaningful case, any defences are likely to be based on the details. You have not been issued a fine by the police. You may have been issued a NIP or offered a fixed penalty (COFP, not FPN), or both, but not a fine.


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post Wed, 25 May 2022 - 11:23
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I apologise its 35.3MPH in a 30 limit.

So what does that message mean "Notice Cancelled"? One would think it means the NIP has been cancelled entirely but who knows??

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QUOTE (Slapdash @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 12:04) *
Can you post a redqcted copy the notices for 34 mph ? That would be pf much interest.


In my experience "doing like 34-35 MPH" typically means "doing 35-37mph".


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QUOTE (Fac6 @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 11:45) *
We went online to the TPU site and we had 5 fines all for doing like 34-35 MPH in 30 zone.

1. As above, no fines at all, but as many of those who should no better don't understand the differences... (only a court can fine you - no-one else, and certainly you can't be fined for speeding when they have no idea who was even driving!).
2. As intimated above, no force takes action for 34 in a 30, only for 35 and up, so what was/were the speeds?
3. Its a 30mph limit, limits and zones are different and the only zones are 20mph ones, although as even the police get 'confused' on this its not surprising the public do.
4. '5' incidences - same place and broadly the same time? Different places and/or times?


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post Wed, 25 May 2022 - 11:34
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 11:30) *
QUOTE (Fac6 @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 11:45) *
We went online to the TPU site and we had 5 fines all for doing like 34-35 MPH in 30 zone.

1. As above, no fines at all, but as many of those who should no better don't understand the differences... (only a court can fine you - no-one else, and certainly you can't be fined for speeding when they have no idea who was even driving!).
2. As intimated above, no force takes action for 34 in a 30, only for 35 and up, so what was/were the speeds?
3. Its a 30mph limit, limits and zones are different and the only zones are 20mph ones, although as even the police get 'confused' on this its not surprising the public do.
4. '5' incidences - same place and broadly the same time? Different places and/or times?



Speeds were all between 35.3 to 39.8MPH

But my question still remains what does the "notice cancelled" on 3 of them mean?
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No one knows what it means, that's been stated already.

Have you actually received any Notice of Intended Prosecution yet?


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QUOTE (Fac6 @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 12:34) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 11:30) *
QUOTE (Fac6 @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 11:45) *
We went online to the TPU site and we had 5 fines all for doing like 34-35 MPH in 30 zone.


2. As intimated above, no force takes action for 34 in a 30, only for 35 and up, so what was/were the speeds?

4. '5' incidences - same place and broadly the same time? Different places and/or times?



Speeds were all between 35.3 to 39.8MPH

Facts matter... It's OK lying to yourself, but if you want help we need the truth.

And the answer to Q5 which may help us answer your question a bit better (but not definitively) is.....?

All forces have different ways of handling these matters, so unless we happen to have someone who recently worked for Lanc's on the forum, no-one will be able to tell you other than give some suggestions.


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QUOTE (Irksome @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 11:39) *
No one knows what it means, that's been stated already.

Have you actually received any Notice of Intended Prosecution yet?



Ok thanks, here is the situation. We got forwarded the NIP from Avis. I logged into the TPU website and as you can see that's what I was questioning? I have sent the TPU a message but I guess it will take forever for them to reply.

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QUOTE (Fac6 @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 12:34) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 11:30) *
QUOTE (Fac6 @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 11:45) *
We went online to the TPU site and we had 5 fines all for doing like 34-35 MPH in 30 zone.


2. As intimated above, no force takes action for 34 in a 30, only for 35 and up, so what was/were the speeds?

4. '5' incidences - same place and broadly the same time? Different places and/or times?



Speeds were all between 35.3 to 39.8MPH

Facts matter... It's OK lying to yourself, but if you want help we need the truth.

And the answer to Q5 which may help us answer your question a bit better (but not definitively) is.....?

All forces have different ways of handling these matters, so unless we happen to have someone who recently worked for Lanc's on the forum, no-one will be able to tell you other than give some suggestions.


Lying to myself? Huh what are you on about?

Of all 5 incidents. 4 were the same speed camera diff times and dates and 1 was diff place and time. Hope that clears it up. Unsure why I am lying to myself though? I was asking a simple question



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34-35 is not 35.3 to 38.9 - so it was not a truthful statement, Ok to lie to yourself though - really not hard to work out?

OK, hard to say, sounds like they may have discontinued some for an unknown reason, otherwise it looks like you could well end up facing a 6 month 'totting' disqualification if they haven't.


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 12:11) *
34-35 is not 35.3 to 38.9 - so it was not a truthful statement, Ok to lie to yourself though - really not hard to work out?

OK, hard to say, sounds like they may have discontinued some for an unknown reason, otherwise it looks like you could well end up facing a 6 month 'totting' disqualification if they haven't.


Was not a deliberate lie, Sorry I was typing quickly and I thought for some reason one was approx 34 mph. Apologies for duff intel!

Yea its odd 3 out of the 5 notices say "Notice Cancelled" while the others dont.

My wife was driving 3 out of the 5 occasions and I was driving 2 of them. I guess they favoured my wife LOL

We both have clean licenses but I am not so sure if they will offer a speed awareness course for all of the offences.

Many thanks to you all for your kind help


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Each driver is allowed one awareness course every three years for qualifying offences.

Any speed up to 42 will almost invariably see a course offered, It's not clear what you mean but if you were driving both times you will only get offered one course, if it was one each then you should both get offered a course. BUT - DO NOT be tempted to lie for that reason, that would be an attempt to pervert the course of justice and 3-9 months in jail to try and avoid a speeding offence (fixed penalty) is not a wise move.


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The two most likely explanations are:

1) The NIP to Avis has been responded to and they use "notice cancelled" to indicate that proceedings will not now be taken against Avis and will re-issue to whoever Avis has nominated, or
2) The notice has been completely cancelled due to some unknown reason.

If you don't want to wait, you could always phone the relevant police force and ask.


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You say Avis "forwarded you something".

If that is accurate then you have nothing in your own name as yet. If they happened to send you a copy of their nip it would state that only the addressee should return it.

It is down to Avis to nominate their hirer. The police will then send that person a request that actually needs to be deal with.

Are you resident abroad ?

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I would guess that the checklists you are looking at relate to the notices sent to Avis and that these notices have been cancelled because there are now new notices relating to these offences, issued in your name, on their way to you.

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QUOTE (Slapdash @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 13:19) *
You say Avis "forwarded you something".

If that is accurate then you have nothing in your own name as yet. If they happened to send you a copy of their nip it would state that only the addressee should return it.

It is down to Avis to nominate their hirer. The police will then send that person a request that actually needs to be deal with.

Are you resident abroad ?



Yes, we live abroad but I am a brit with a UK Driving license even though I live abroad.

The wife is a foreigner with British nationality but at the time she went back to the UK her UK driving license had expired by 4 years and so she was hiring the car and driving it on an International License.

Complicated huh? LOL



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The two most likely explanations are:

1) The NIP to Avis has been responded to and they use "notice cancelled" to indicate that proceedings will not now be taken against Avis and will re-issue to whoever Avis has nominated, or
2) The notice has been completely cancelled due to some unknown reason.

If you don't want to wait, you could always phone the relevant police force and ask.



Sadly Lincolnshire police don't have a phone number you can call. Seems everything is online crap these days or snail mail
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QUOTE (Fac6 @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 15:46) *
Sadly Lincolnshire police don't have a phone number you can call.

Yes they do, 01522 532 222.


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 16:24) *
QUOTE (Fac6 @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 15:46) *
Sadly Lincolnshire police don't have a phone number you can call.

Yes they do, 01522 532 222.


Hi yes thanks for that,

I have tried that previously and it takes you through various menus only to end up being told to leave a voicemail but more effectively to email. Never had any replies to either. There is no number where you can get through to a human!
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QUOTE (Fac6 @ Thu, 26 May 2022 - 03:56) *
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QUOTE (Fac6 @ Wed, 25 May 2022 - 15:46) *
Sadly Lincolnshire police don't have a phone number you can call.

Yes they do, 01522 532 222.


Hi yes thanks for that,

I have tried that previously and it takes you through various menus only to end up being told to leave a voicemail but more effectively to email. Never had any replies to either. There is no number where you can get through to a human!


So, send an e-mail?.................that also creates an evidential record of what was asked and when.
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