Atlip Center Wembley - CPM Parking Charge Notice |
Atlip Center Wembley - CPM Parking Charge Notice |
Tue, 22 Jan 2019 - 13:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 22 Jan 2019 Member No.: 102,038 |
I am not the RK of this vehicle. The incident occurred in Atlip Road (the gym in Alperton) the signage is very confusing and the driver thought they were parking on a road with
no yellow line (however apparently this is a private road which is also covered by the signage in the adjacent car park). Several other cars were also parked and the driver asked the Parking Attendant if parking is allowed. The parking attendant stated that it was as the driver was accessing the facilities provided by the center. The RK then received the Parking Charge notice. How should this now be handled? The writer is a total novice and is not aware of the procedures that should be followed. Should the RK notify that they were not driving at the time? Many thanks in advance. This post has been edited by navdeep22: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 - 13:22 |
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Tue, 22 Jan 2019 - 14:01
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
Is the PCN, above, addressed to you?
-------------------- Cabbyman 11 PPCs 0
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Tue, 22 Jan 2019 - 14:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 22 Jan 2019 Member No.: 102,038 |
No. It is addressed to the registered keeper of the vehicle.
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Tue, 22 Jan 2019 - 15:06
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
The REGISTERED KEEPER must write:
Dear sirs, Ref xxxx VRM xxxxx I am the Registered Keeper of the above vehicle and have received your above referenced invoice. Please note that I cannot be held liable as a site visit has revealed that your unremarkable signage, being forbidden in nature, is incapable of forming a contract with the driver. There is, therefore, no cause of action and no possibility of transferring a non-existent liability to me as the Registered Keeper. I am not obliged to name the driver, and will not be so doing. I require you to cancel this invoice forthwith. DO NOT contact me further save to confirm cancellation and that you have expunged ALL my details, both vehicle and personal from your records. Love and kisses. -------------------- Cabbyman 11 PPCs 0
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Tue, 22 Jan 2019 - 15:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 22 Jan 2019 Member No.: 102,038 |
Thanks Cabbyman. This is extremely helpful. Thank you. I will copy your letter template. A few questions:
1. Should I sign the letter and state Mr X at the end (i.e. the registered Keeper name) 2. My understanding was that the Registered Keeper is liable irrespective of who the driver was? 3. I have just realised someone else received a PCN at exactly same location as me: http://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t121055.html - the view is that the letter should be sent by certificate of posting only. However the notice states I should use there online form. Is that ok if I send via post? |
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Tue, 22 Jan 2019 - 15:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
1. No! RK must sign and send.
2. RK is liable IF they comply fuilly with PoFA, in every respect. 3. Appeal online, as per their instructions, but keep a screenshot and, if possible, a photo before it is sent. Make sure any default drop down boxes saying driver are changed to keeper. It is VERY important that this is done in the name of the RK, NO OTHER person. -------------------- Cabbyman 11 PPCs 0
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Tue, 22 Jan 2019 - 16:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 22 Jan 2019 Member No.: 102,038 |
Many thanks!
I shall revert if any further communications come back. |
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Fri, 22 Feb 2019 - 09:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 22 Jan 2019 Member No.: 102,038 |
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Fri, 22 Feb 2019 - 09:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
So what do the signs actually say?
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Fri, 22 Feb 2019 - 11:17
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 22 Jan 2019 Member No.: 102,038 |
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Fri, 22 Feb 2019 - 13:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Well IGNORE isnt the route unless you live in Scotland.
I cant see htose links. Work blocked. |
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Fri, 22 Feb 2019 - 15:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 22 Jan 2019 Member No.: 102,038 |
ok I will try and repost but I can still see them. Can anyone help?
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Mon, 25 Feb 2019 - 09:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 22 Jan 2019 Member No.: 102,038 |
Hi all - can anyone provide some guidance on next steps please?
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Mon, 25 Feb 2019 - 09:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Over the weekene,d how many other threads did you read?
None? Ten? Twenty? How close is post 4 to being the truth? do you understand "forbidding" and why its important? If not, have you done any obvious searches to find the explanations? |
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Mon, 25 Feb 2019 - 10:27
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 22 Jan 2019 Member No.: 102,038 |
Hi nosferatu1001, Apologies for bumping the thread. I am just getting a bit panicked with the whole thing. Appreciate I am not an experienced user in this forum.
Post 4 is correct. The letter was sent to the RK. I am not aware on Forbidding. Apologies in advance. |
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Mon, 25 Feb 2019 - 11:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Thats not what I asked
I asked how many threads have you read. Because you cannot just sit, passively, and have it haneded on a plate. You have to do some work yourself! I asked - now you KNOW or can FIND OUT what is meant by forbidding, you need to answer whether the signs ARe forbidding. If they ARE then post 4 appeal should be used. |
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Mon, 25 Feb 2019 - 12:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 22 Jan 2019 Member No.: 102,038 |
I have read many threads. Not all are relevant to my case and to be frank I did not want to comment on this earlier as I felt that it distracted from the purpose of this thread. Clearly you do which while might be good for writing and attacking others it adds zero to this conversation. I do not expect to be handed things on the plate albeit I did think this forum was for helping others. If you do not wish to help you do not need to reply. Quite simple really.
On the question of Forbidding - thanks for your helpful response. I don't understand it really so given no insight provided I shall seek to get guidance from someone who may be willing help. Kind regards. |
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Mon, 25 Feb 2019 - 13:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 419 Joined: 22 Oct 2018 Member No.: 100,530 |
Here's some help - Top right hand corner is a box. Type in "forbidding signs" and hit the button that says search. Scroll down and look through the Pepipoo results.
Alternatively you could just read some of the other topics on this front page - one of which is a success result posted today. Reason for the win - forbidding signs. |
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Mon, 25 Feb 2019 - 13:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
This thread might help. The info appeared about 11:30, an hour before you added you comment, and would have been high on the list of threads
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Mon, 25 Feb 2019 - 14:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Apologies if pointing you towards the precise topic, which is important, wasnt helpful enough. I iwll do better next time...
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