iopc, any teeth |
iopc, any teeth |
Wed, 22 Jan 2020 - 17:02
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 23 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,342 |
hi, i had to use the IOPC to complain about a police matter , they took on my complaint and passed it over to the relevant police authority which also took on the complaint and said it was valid and would pass it on to be dealt with by the officer in charge of complaints(?), basically this officer/dept have now decided to completely ignore my requests as to where we are regarding the complaint. What i'm asking is does the IOPC actually have any teeth if the police continue to just ignore me/them. This started off very very low level with me asking a genuine basic question about why they did a certain thing the way they did, but ended up at the IOPC due to the way they treated me ie passed from one dept to the other with every one of them saying it was nothing to do with them, sorry if this sounds a bit vague as at this point i don't want to give to much info away here, cheers in advance.
This post has been edited by rd250dx: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 - 00:24 |
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Wed, 22 Jan 2020 - 20:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Have you had confirmation from the police that the matter has been formally recorded as a complaint?
The IOPC's powers very much depend on the answer to this question. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 22 Jan 2020 - 21:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 23 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,342 |
Have you had confirmation from the police that the matter has been formally recorded as a complaint? The IOPC's powers very much depend on the answer to this question. Yes all legit, IOPC confirmed they are happy with my complaint, i was then sent a letter from the force involved containing this paragraph from The Professional Standards Branch Investigations,,,, ''After a careful review of the circumstances, your complaint has been passed to the Chief Superintendent of the ##### Division, where an investigating officer will be allocated and you will be contacted at the earliest opportunity to resolve your complaint'',,,, They also give my complaint a reference number, so it seems everyone accepts it as a legit complaint (which it is). This post has been edited by rd250dx: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 - 21:22 |
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Thu, 23 Jan 2020 - 15:14
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
OK, so how long has it been with the superintendent?
If criminal proceedings are contemplated it would probably be necessary NOT to tell you at this moment so as not to jeopardise them (as even if they told you 'generically' if you know the specific officer involved you know it would relate to that person). If the Super' won't communicate go back to the Chief Constable's office I'd suggest. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Thu, 23 Jan 2020 - 15:42
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 23 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,342 |
hi he has been aware of this for the last 5 weeks, there will be no prosecutions/disciplining of any officers, this started of so low key you would not believe it, the only reason it reached the IOPC was their refusal to answer my questions and to just pass it around, i'm old enough now to know when i'm being given the 'run around', I would hate to have to deal with them over a serious matter if this is their attitude to this small matter, once again the IOPC and the Chief Superintendent agree i have a case that needs addressing, I'll come back here when (if) it gets resolved with the full details.
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Fri, 24 Jan 2020 - 10:42
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 23 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,342 |
quick update, after three e-mails requesting an update i have received an e-mail saying they have contacted someone to give me an update,,,,, see what i mean about this matter being passed about like a parcel at a game of pass the parcel at an IRA party, i'll not be holding my breath lol
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Thu, 6 Feb 2020 - 11:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 23 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,342 |
Right, after being TOTALLY ignored by the police (again) i took out an APPEAL with the IOPC citing the police´s blatent lack of action of any kind regarding my first complaint via the IOPC.i recieved a reply from the Professional Standards Department (PSD) (of the force being complained about) saying that they do not recognise my appeal (no surprise there). Now here is the rub regarding their refusal to act,,,,,,, if the case hasn´t been ´finished´ by themselves they can refuse to go forward with an appeals, so as the policy stands if they just completely ignore you in everyway they can their policy protects against any sort of outside scrutiny. So it would seem that the police can actually put their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and shout out NAR NAR NAR until you just give up and walk away, job done ergo one less registered complaint against them.
As a side note the CSA use this policy to reduce the number of official complaints against them also. |
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Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 23:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
If your complaint has been formally recorded as such, you should receive an outcome letter that notifies you of your right to appeal.
This post has been edited by cp8759: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 23:45 -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 9 Feb 2020 - 09:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 23 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,342 |
Hi, i lodged an appeal through the IOPC because of their (the police) refusal to act on my original IOPC complaint, only for the POLICE to deny me my appeal on the grounds that they have not given their ´final say´ on the matter, the only trouble is that if they decide not to actually formally give a ´final say´ this ironically protects them from being forced to deal with the original complaint, this is a classic ´´catch 22´ scenario. I can see this ending up in the press, talk about escalating a situation for no reason, there will be no prosecutions either way, no fines, no heads will roll, unreal lol. I´ll keep you all up to date.
If your complaint has been formally recorded as such, you should receive an outcome letter that notifies you of your right to appeal. Hi, i lodged an appeal through the IOPC because of their (the police) refusal to act on my original IOPC complaint, only for the POLICE to deny me my appeal on the grounds that they have not given their ´final say´ on the matter, the only trouble is that if they decide not to actually formally give a ´final say´ this ironically protects them from being forced to deal with the original complaint, this is a classic ´´catch 22´ scenario. I can see this ending up in the press, talk about escalating a situation for no reason, there will be no prosecutions either way, no fines, no heads will roll, unreal lol. I´ll keep you all up to date. |
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Sun, 9 Feb 2020 - 11:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Unless you're willing to share the details of the underlying complaint, there's not much we can do to advise or help you. The investigation must be reasonable and proportionate, and without knowing the underling facts it's impossible to assess whether this is or isn't the case. You could PM me the details if you prefer.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 9 Feb 2020 - 11:27
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 23 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,342 |
Unless you're willing to share the details of the underlying complaint, there's not much we can do to advise or help you. The investigation must be reasonable and proportionate, and without knowing the underling facts it's impossible to assess whether this is or isn't the case. You could PM me the details if you prefer. I´ll PM you later, i suspect you will laugh at how pathetic the cause of all this. |
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Sun, 9 Feb 2020 - 12:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 23 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,342 |
Unless you're willing to share the details of the underlying complaint, there's not much we can do to advise or help you. The investigation must be reasonable and proportionate, and without knowing the underling facts it's impossible to assess whether this is or isn't the case. You could PM me the details if you prefer. I´ll PM you later, i suspect you will laugh at how pathetic the cause of all this. let me know if you got my PM, cheers |
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Tue, 10 Mar 2020 - 10:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 23 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,342 |
Well it would appear that the IOPC actually doesn't have any teeth, after contacting them through e mails and a couple of actual person to person telephone calls they have confirmed that if the police don't want to investigate a complaint that has gone through the IOPC they have no powers to fine/sanction/discipline/force them to investigate etc, the best they can do is send them an e mail and then wait for a reply. I did a bit of 'surfing' on the net and it turns out there are plenty of other disgruntled users of the IOPC. The latest e mail off the police was from another dept who didn't know why they had been sent my original complaint and would 'pass it on' (again). Another useless government ´Watchdog´.
This post has been edited by rd250dx: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 - 10:47 |
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Tue, 10 Mar 2020 - 17:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
For what it's worth the IOPC gave evidence to the relevant parliamentary committee to the effect that stripping it of so many of its powers would have the effect of making the police mark their own homework. That being said based on the emails you've sent me, from a dispassionate and objective standpoint, I don't think your complaint has any merit.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 11 Mar 2020 - 10:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 23 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,342 |
For what it's worth the IOPC gave evidence to the relevant parliamentary committee to the effect that stripping it of so many of its powers would have the effect of making the police mark their own homework. That being said based on the emails you've sent me, from a dispassionate and objective standpoint, I don't think your complaint has any merit. '' I don't think your complaint has any merit'',, only time will tell, i'll keep you posted. |
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