[NIP Wizard] NIP: Travelling in the opposite sirection |
[NIP Wizard] NIP: Travelling in the opposite sirection |
Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 09:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 25 Jul 2018 Member No.: 99,063 |
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - July 2018 Date of the NIP: - 8 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 9 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - M6 (NB-ATM) between junctions 7 & 8(NB) Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - How many current points do you have? - 0 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I don't recall being in a 60 variable zone. I'm very surprised to be clocked doing 75, although that would have been far more likely if I was in an NSL on the M6. The query I have is that I was heading home, from Liverpool, i.e. heading South, junction 8-7. Is this the fact that the camera was facing North, or have I been picked up in error? NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 09:22:28 +0000 |
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Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 17:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 25 Jul 2018 Member No.: 99,063 |
Well you could just say 'We caught you speeding and here's the photo' And if there is no photo? Then what evidence do they have that you were speeding? C The evidence of a witness who observed your vehicle speeding and used an approved device (such as a ProLaser) and report on the reading obtained by that device in their evidence. As above, but the witness used their in car speedometer. As above, but the witness used a VASCAR device. Or, in fact, any offence where a photo isn’t taken (since we’re not just talking about speeding offences). Good with any of those. That would, however, be the word of one *person* against another. But it's a fair point. C |
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Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 17:42
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
But that person would be sufficient.
However, there’s likely to be a video stream of the enforcement session, they just don’t have to show it now. This post has been edited by Jlc: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 17:42 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 17:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 25 Jul 2018 Member No.: 99,063 |
But that person would be sufficient. However, there’s likely to be a video stream of the enforcement session, they just don’t have to show it now. Not sure 'My word vs yours' is a great judicial system these days. What happens if it gets to court, and there is no video and it's just one person's word (I assume a police officer?) against the driver? Just curious C |
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Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 17:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
Not sure 'My word vs yours' is a great judicial system these days. What happens if it gets to court, and there is no video and it's just one person's word (I assume a police officer?) against the driver? Then the court makes up its own mind as to whether it is sure that the accused is guilty, as in any other offence. Happens all the time. -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 17:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
In theory, all they need is corroboration (such as a statement that they checked their calibrated speedo), or the opinion of another colleague who was with them at the time. It would be up to you to disprove them.
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Fri, 17 Aug 2018 - 17:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 25 Jul 2018 Member No.: 99,063 |
Thanks everyone
C |
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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 - 07:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 25 Jul 2018 Member No.: 99,063 |
Hi everyone
Just to finish this off, in response to my request for a photograph, I received a letter stating that there had been an error with the ticket and it had been cancelled. I rather hope that means I wasn't speeding not just that they made some procedural error, but I wonder what percentage of people would have just paid up.... Thanks for all the useful input. Cheers C |
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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 - 10:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
Sounds like a good result. Thanks for letting us know.
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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 - 11:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Hi everyone Just to finish this off, in response to my request for a photograph, I received a letter stating that there had been an error with the ticket and it had been cancelled. I rather hope that means I wasn't speeding not just that they made some procedural error, but I wonder what percentage of people would have just paid up.... Thanks for all the useful input. Cheers C You can always write back and ask them why it was cancelled. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 - 11:38
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Member Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 25 Jul 2018 Member No.: 99,063 |
Hi everyone Just to finish this off, in response to my request for a photograph, I received a letter stating that there had been an error with the ticket and it had been cancelled. I rather hope that means I wasn't speeding not just that they made some procedural error, but I wonder what percentage of people would have just paid up.... Thanks for all the useful input. Cheers C You can always write back and ask them why it was cancelled. Hmmm, interesting idea. I might just do that, thanks C |
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