Parking Ticket issued in Resident's Permit Bay |
Parking Ticket issued in Resident's Permit Bay |
Tue, 18 Jun 2019 - 19:58
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 18 Jun 2019 Member No.: 104,351 |
Hi - I wonder if anyone can help.
A PCN was issued whilst I was parked in a Resident's Parking Bay Area. I have a borough parking permit, allowing 2 hours parking in these and any other parking restricted areas in the Borough. I had parked in the first spot in the resident's bay at one end of the street at 9.00am when the restrictions started. I then left this parking spot around 10:30 and went to visit a patient. I returned around 12:30 and reparked in the resident's parking bay on the same side of the road about half way down the street. My car was pointing in the same direction as earlier but was now parked about 10 houses further down. A colleague in a different team but same office building arrived back around the same time and parked near me. We both set our permit clocks to start at 12:30. My PCN was issued around 2:00pm. I spoke to the traffic warden who issued the ticket at the time, as did the other person who parked at the same time as me and when it was clear the conversation was a waste of time I told him I intended to appeal, which I then immediately did. I have just received a letter (3.5 weeks later) refusing my initial appeal on the grounds that the CEO 'recorded your tyre-valve positions and the time. Later, when the period you were allowed to park for had run out, the CEO returned and re-checked tyre-valve positions which had not changed.' There is then a yellow box with some tyre valve positions at 10am and 2pm that are the same with (casual observation) written in brackets. I'm so frustrated - it's not the fine (on the rare occasions I've had a parking ticket in my 30 odd years of driving I've paid it immediately knowing I made a mistake) but this is just a blatant lie! In my appeal I stated I have visited a patient but did not give their details due to confidentiality. I gave my senior manager's email to confirm I had been out on a visit. It's not clear from the letter what I should do next to appeal again. It only seems clear how to pay! Would it be better to seek the support of a solicitor? Also regarding evidence, I have an electronic work diary and electronic patient record for notes of the visit (although there is obviously the issue of confidentiality. I also have a paper diary which I can photocopy. The witness has said she will happily do a letter of support as she is equally shocked at the blatant deception of the CEO. I'm not very technical at all and did read all the stuff on how to upload stuff but found it confusing. Apologies for being a bit dim. |
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Tue, 18 Jun 2019 - 19:58
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Tue, 18 Jun 2019 - 20:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Let's see the PCN, your challenge and their rejection.
Also council pics and a google street view of location. Put pics on https://imgbb.com or such like. |
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Tue, 18 Jun 2019 - 22:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 20,919 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
Whilst the permit conditions allow 2 hours, there will invariably be a "No return in nn hours" condition as well, or there is nothing to stop you driving off and returning a couple of minutes later. So the question is - is there such a condition and if so, what is the minimum time before returning.
As requested, please post up the documents. |
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Wed, 19 Jun 2019 - 09:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 529 Joined: 20 Jan 2017 Member No.: 89,788 |
QUOTE WHERE CAN I PARK WITH AN ESSENTIAL USER PERMIT? An Essential User permit entitles the holder to park in any vacant pay and display bay, residents’ bay and, in any council operated pay and display car park for a maximum of 2 hours. A failure to display the correct permit and time clock could result in a penalty charge notice being issued. Essential User permits do not permit parking in Ley Street Multi-Storey Car Park (CP25), Lynton House Car Park (CP15)or Chadwick Road. Essential user permits are not valid for parking in suspended bays or for parking in business permit bays, doctors bays, motorcycle bays, loading bays, disabled bays, no stopping restrictions, yellow lines, red routes and off street housing estates The restricted hours will be displayed at the entry points to the controlled parking zone and in some cases on signs adjacent to the bays. Vehicles must park entirely within the bay markings. Buying an Essential User permit will not guarantee that a parking space will be available and does not render the council subject to any liability in respect of loss or damage to any vehicle in a parking place or the contents or fittings of any such vehicle. https://www.redbridge.gov.uk/media/5341/ess...cation-form.pdf |
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Wed, 19 Jun 2019 - 22:52
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 18 Jun 2019 Member No.: 104,351 |
Whilst the permit conditions allow 2 hours, there will invariably be a "No return in nn hours" condition as well, or there is nothing to stop you driving off and returning a couple of minutes later. So the question is - is there such a condition and if so, what is the minimum time before returning. As requested, please post up the documents. I will try & post the documents when I can work out how to do it. I couldn't upload and blank my personal details. The PCN was issued as warden claimed my car had not moved, hence the 'casual observation' re tyre valves not moving. I had actually moved, I'd gone off to a visit then returned and parked in a different part of the road (same side but further down), leaving the spot around 10.15 and returning to the same road at 12>30 so the 2 hour no return condition is irrelevant. The ticket is issued on the basis of the warden's 'casual observations' of tyre valves not moving which essentially must mean he has falsified notes in a book. There cannot be time-coded photos or records as my car was a) in a different parking spot at the two times recorded on the ticket and b) therefore moved so it's not possible to have the tyre valves in exactly the same position. I am not being robbed by my own council whilst I was actually out on council business treating patients within the borough just because a traffic warden feels he can lie. Or is this what happens - do they actually get away with doing this? |
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Thu, 20 Jun 2019 - 19:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
I will try & post the documents when I can work out how to do it. I couldn't upload and blank my personal details. Put a scrap of paper over your name and address and take a photo on your phone. Upload to an external site like imgur.com and either post a link, or embed the images using the BB codes if you know how. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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