Speeding on A477 in Wales |
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Speeding on A477 in Wales |
 Sun, 19 Jun 2022 - 18:43
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Hi All, just been away for a week and received an NIP when I returned home. It was on the Carmarthen to Tenby road which alternates between single and dual carriageway. I'd just overtaken someone prior to the road narrowing into one lane and as I went over the brow of the hill there was a copper on a bridge with a 'hairdryer'. Speed alleged is 68mph which is probably about right. Just feel slightly peeved in that I was in the process of adjusting my speed for the single carriageway and the speed is within the alleged 10% + 2mph 'allowance' even mentioned within the speed awareness courses so I'm told. Are the criteria different in Wales? Also, I'm assuming I'll be offered one of these courses (never had one before)? Thanks
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Sun, 19 Jun 2022 - 18:43
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Sun, 19 Jun 2022 - 19:00
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Enforcement starts at 68mph but is within the threshold for a course.
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 19 Jun 2022 - 19:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,777 Joined: 29 Oct 2008 Member No.: 23,623 |
The National Police Chief Council's guidelines (which is the source of the "allowance" you refer to) suggests that action should begin at (Limit +10% + 2mph) - so at 68mph in a 60mph limit. You should be offered a course for that speed. They are normally offered up to (Limit + 10% + 9mph).
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Sun, 19 Jun 2022 - 21:22
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 7 May 2021 Member No.: 112,573 |
Thanks for the responses. You say "should" be offered a course. If I don't get offered one, is there any right of appeal?
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Sun, 19 Jun 2022 - 21:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,580 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
No, there's no right for a course. But it would be unusual not to offer one.
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 19 Jun 2022 - 21:50
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There is no appeal as such since the whole idea of courses is extra-legal ie not regulated by law, but if not offered one you can certainly ask why but it could happen if there are insufficient places available, which happened in my area some ten years ago. Courses are still currently conducted online.
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Mon, 27 Jun 2022 - 05:25
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Member Group: Members Posts: 720 Joined: 11 May 2014 Member No.: 70,566 |
There is only a very small section of dual carriageway in the section between St Clears and Tenby, and that has a 50mph advisory sign (circle is black rather than red). All the rest are simply an overtaking lane on a single carriageway, so limit is 60 for 99% of the NSL sections. Lots of people are regularly doing over 70 on the sections with the overtaking lane, possibly because they are not understanding what isn't a dual carriageway. .
This post has been edited by thisisntme: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 - 05:27 -------------------- I reserve the right to be wrong.
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Mon, 27 Jun 2022 - 09:33
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Member Group: Members Posts: 594 Joined: 7 Sep 2016 From: Glasgow Member No.: 86,985 |
QUOTE (thisisntme @ Mon, 27 Jun 2022 - 06:25)  There is only a very small section of dual carriageway in the section between St Clears and Tenby, and that has a 50mph advisory sign (circle is black rather than red). All the rest are simply an overtaking lane on a single carriageway, so limit is 60 for 99% of the NSL sections. Lots of people are regularly doing over 70 on the sections with the overtaking lane, possibly because they are not understanding what isn't a dual carriageway. . This. Dual carriageways have a central reservation in the middle. If there's only painted lines separating the two directions - even if there are multiple lanes in each direction - it's still a single carriageway, and still a 60. |
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