Posted by: markie Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 18:57
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Hi Guys,
Wonder if I could get your excellent help with a PCN Camden Council have kindly gifted me with.
I popped to Camden Town in the car today due to the rain which was a new experience as I usually walk.
I turned into Plender Street which is covered by 2 different CPZ's - a Mon-Fri one and a Mon-Fri & Sat one.
Unfortunately I had a lapse of concentration to check the signage after I had stopped in an empty space on the edge of the parking bay where I turned in.
After half an hour I found out I was at the wrong end of the street in the 'Mon-Fri & Sat' (upto 5:30PM) CPZ
Please could you have a look at my PCN scans for any leads;
FRONT
https://ibb.co/PGVkgVC
BACK
https://ibb.co/CBMBZrx
Is the 3 minute observation time ok?
If everything is in order what are the best grounds for lodging a chance representation anyway?
Much appreciated and keep up the good work!
Mark
Posted by: stamfordman Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 20:32
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Just here on the right? May be something in confusing signs. Post the councils's pics.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5366979,-0.1371717,3a,75y,76.67h,83.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spgJ0_lM-7TW3hmpmpJTpFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Posted by: cp8759 Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 21:43
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Camden's CPZ signs apply to single yellow lines, not parking bays. Bays have their own signs. Post up the council photos so we know what we're dealing with.
Posted by: Incandescent Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 22:14
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As cp8759 hints at, the PCN is not related to the CPZs, but to your parking in a parking bay without either displaying a permit, or a parking ticket issued by a ticket machine for that bay. (this also covers PbP parking).
You say yourself you nipped into a bay; did you bother reading the sign to see what the bay requirements are.
Posted by: markie Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 15:22
Post #1528928
Thank you all for your replies.
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 20:32)
Just here on the right? May be something in confusing signs. Post the councils's pics.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5366979,-0.1371717,3a,75y,76.67h,83.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spgJ0_lM-7TW3hmpmpJTpFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
If it was where the orange van is then it could be confusing signs.
That stretch of road but the other end; https://goo.gl/maps/y2bR2XNaiAkgjWGP6 (where the white SAAB is parked)
I usually drive down Camden Street then turn left into Plender Street which is CPZ (CA-G/F) Mon-Fri 8:30am-6:30pm.
Yesterday I lapsed and drove down Bayham Street (next road parallel to Camden Street) and turned into Plender Street, spotted the empty space, parked and dashed off as it was raining.
Unfortunately this half of the street is CPZ (CA-F) Mon-Fri 8:30am-6:30pm & Sat-Sun 09:30am-5:30pm.
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 21:43)
Camden's CPZ signs apply to single yellow lines, not parking bays. Bays have their own signs. Post up the council photos so we know what we're dealing with.
Council Photos;
https://ibb.co/m4DS7n7 https://ibb.co/HpP7kn8 https://ibb.co/yR5YM2p https://ibb.co/bFNCyHY https://ibb.co/wBFhnPX https://ibb.co/VDgN6fj
https://ibb.co/N2LFG9C
QUOTE (Incandescent @ Sat, 9 Nov 2019 - 22:14)
As cp8759 hints at, the PCN is not related to the CPZs, but to your parking in a parking bay without either displaying a permit, or a parking ticket issued by a ticket machine for that bay. (this also covers PbP parking).
You say yourself you nipped into a bay; did you bother reading the sign to see what the bay requirements are.
Unfortunately not due to a serious brain malfunction
and not enjoying the rain.
I always double check parking restrictions on signs or ticket machines but yesterday I lapsed as I got out of the car thinking I'm in the Mon-Fri part of Plender Street - when I wasn't due to not driving down the right 'main road' - see above.
Posted by: stamfordman Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 16:31
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Doesn't look you have anything here then. What was reason for parking? Discount may be best bet or a grovel to ask for discretion but it's unlikely to succeed.
Posted by: markie Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 16:58
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 16:31)
Doesn't look you have anything here then. What was reason for parking? Discount may be best bet or a grovel to ask for discretion but it's unlikely to succeed.
Going to the bank, which turned out to be closed then grocery shopping.
Posted by: cp8759 Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 19:17
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Your options are a grovelling plea for discretion or pay the discount.
Posted by: markie Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 00:17
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sun, 10 Nov 2019 - 19:17)
Your options are a grovelling plea for discretion or pay the discount.
Any examples of a successful grovelling plea available?
'or pay the discount.'
If I appeal within the discount period isn't a 'discount period' still offered with the response?
Posted by: cp8759 Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 10:18
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Pleas for discretion seldom work with London authorities, but you have nothing else to go on. You'll just have to explain the circumstances (brain malfunction, rain etc...), say you're very sorry, PCN has been a wake up call and you'll never do it again.
The back of the PCN says that if you make a representation during the 14 day discount period, the discount period will be re-offered if the representation is rejected, so in that regard you have nothing to lose.
Posted by: markie Sat, 23 Nov 2019 - 17:28
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Representation submitted earlier today.... watch this space
Posted by: markie Tue, 10 Dec 2019 - 18:20
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Camden says....................grovel not good enough!!!
https://ibb.co/p1Bg975 https://ibb.co/njNT7mj
Oh well....