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couscous
post Tue, 23 Oct 2018 - 20:33
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Hi

Hope everyone is well this is my first ever post, on the 16/10 I was issued with a PCN failing to display a ticket. I didn’t have correct change so I quickly popped in to get some change. By then I was issued with a ticket. I did buy a ticket afterwards but I was angered at the time.

I have uploaded the PCN and the ticket I purchased. Please can you help me ?

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stamfordman
post Tue, 23 Oct 2018 - 20:37
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Popped in where to get change?

Once you leave the car to say go a shop to get change you are bang to rights on this.

PCN says the car was observed for 5 minutes, so this wasn't 'popping'.
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cp8759
post Tue, 23 Oct 2018 - 20:54
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Upload the council pics.


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hcandersen
post Tue, 23 Oct 2018 - 20:56
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I bought a P&D ticket 30 minutes after being issued with a PCN for.. not having a P&D ticket.

Which leaves us with possible technical defences e.g. incorrect signage/road markings, irregularities with wording of the PCN and prospective procedural improprieties.

The authority's photos of your car in contravention would be a start.
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post Tue, 23 Oct 2018 - 20:58
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P&D bought 8 mins after PCN.
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post Tue, 23 Oct 2018 - 21:26
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Unfortunately previous adjudications are against the OP, and have been for many years. Time spent going to get change is not grounds for cancellation, whereas time spent obtaining a ticket is, (like going to a ticket machine, or making a PbP call to pay).

Key Cases on London Tribunals has this: -

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/de...es/barnes32.pdf

Way back in 1997

As far as I know, no adjudicator has overturned this principle.
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post Sat, 27 Oct 2018 - 00:08
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Sorry I popped into get change for the pay and display! Is there any grounds for appeal ?
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post Sat, 27 Oct 2018 - 08:57
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QUOTE (couscous @ Sat, 27 Oct 2018 - 01:08) *
Sorry I popped into get change for the pay and display! Is there any grounds for appeal ?

See my post #6.
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post Sun, 9 Dec 2018 - 23:51
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Hi

I’ve just recieved a letter from Blackburn Council after appealing on the 23/10/18. The letter was delivered on 08/12/2018.

Is there any errors or shortcomings that can be used to challenge or avoid paying this fine from their late response.

https://ibb.co/GpmHMqc
https://ibb.co/GPxwWPV
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post Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 07:33
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Here

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.748176,-2...3312!8i6656

You parked right next to the ticket machine so I cannot see a winnable argument re the delay. Discount looks good


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hcandersen
post Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 08:29
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Perfectly acceptable reply timeframe (in fact the regs do not even require a written response at this stage).

Pay the discount, there are no other winnable defences evident at the moment.

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Mad Mick V
post Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 09:33
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Check the PCN --this is Blackburn!!!


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cp8759
post Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 14:20
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Can't see any issues with the PCN.


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