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readman
post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 08:23
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Hi, my 2010 Corsa D has a 14 inch steel wheels and Goodyear 185/70 R14 88T tyres.
My spare wheel in the boot is a 15 inch steel wheel with a Contie co 185/65 R15 88T tyre.
Just wondering if this is ok as a spare, would be illegal to have 2 different wheels on the same axle.
Thanks for any answers,
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post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 08:56
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Fine for use in an emergency, low speed and short distance.

It is quite normal for a spare wheel to be different to the other 4.


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post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 09:53
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Wed, 23 May 2018 - 09:56) *
Fine for use in an emergency, low speed and short distance.

It is quite normal for a spare wheel to be different to the other 4.

Dunno about having tyres of differing specs on the one axle but surely having a 14" and a 15" on one axle isn't legal .
My Mondeo has a steel spacesaver from new - others are alloys- but all are 16" - and I have just bought another alloy to match the rest in case I get a puncture miles from home and need to travel at 50 mph .
I did read a website stating what was allowed and what wasnt but now cant find it.
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post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 10:01
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I had that conversation with my tyre dealer

It's OK because the spare wheel and its tyre have the same overall diameter as the normal wheel with its low profile tyre
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post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 10:16
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 23 May 2018 - 11:01) *
I had that conversation with my tyre dealer

It's OK because the spare wheel and its tyre have the same overall diameter as the normal wheel with its low profile tyre


That makes sense.
Yesterday I removed my cars spacesaver and a chunk of plastic that houses a scissor jack and a wheel wrench and tried the replacement full size alloy in it's place and the amount of extra space taken up by the alloy is minimal so just shows that fitting these spacesavers is a nonsense. Just a way of manfrs saving cash by not fitting alloys as spares.

To OP ...I'd still suggest its best to get a matching wheel and tyre .Being steel the wheel should be cheap enough.

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post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 11:05
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QUOTE (StuartBu @ Wed, 23 May 2018 - 11:16) *
Yesterday I removed my cars spacesaver and a chunk of plastic that houses a scissor jack and a wheel wrench and tried the replacement full size alloy in it's place and the amount of extra space taken up by the alloy is minimal so just shows that fitting these spacesavers is a nonsense. Just a way of manfrs saving cash by not fitting alloys as spares.

You're lucky - the favoured option for manufacturers nowadays is no spare wheel at all, just a useless can of foam. Apart from being cheaper I would guess it also improves their fuel economy/emissions figures.


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post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 11:19
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 23 May 2018 - 12:05) *
Apart from being cheaper I would guess it also improves their fuel economy/emissions figures.

Very likely, dropping an 'inertia class' for testing will save about 2-3% on fuel consumption, the inertia class are spaced at 25Kg intervals, but you may only need to lose 1Kg if you are just over a class!

My Mondeo has a 'space saver' steel wheel and its absolutely the case that the full size alloy will not fit in the well (225/45/18 tyre)

Audi TT roadster used to have space saver spare, the ONLY place you could put the removed full sized wheel was on the passenger seat which isn't ideal for the trim or the passenger, thus making it rather pointless.


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The comedy spacesaver on my Renault Nee-San is so hugely different in diameter and width from the "proper" wheels that the handbook says not to fit it to the front, as the ABS /ESP/TC sytems can't cope. ("Proper" tyre 610mm dia, comedy "spare" 556mm dia). I have a full sized spare in the boot now, but I had to deflate it to get it in the space- I have a small electric pump to inflate it whilst I am struggling to get the flat tyre off.

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post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 15:01
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 23 May 2018 - 12:19) *
My Mondeo has a 'space saver' steel wheel and its absolutely the case that the full size alloy will not fit in the well (225/45/18 tyre)

I dunno if Ford altered the size of the spare wheel well but my Mondeo is a 2005 and the wheels are 205/55/16 so I def couldn't get an 18" wheel in .
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 23 May 2018 - 12:05) *
QUOTE (StuartBu @ Wed, 23 May 2018 - 11:16) *
Yesterday I removed my cars spacesaver and a chunk of plastic that houses a scissor jack and a wheel wrench and tried the replacement full size alloy in it's place and the amount of extra space taken up by the alloy is minimal so just shows that fitting these spacesavers is a nonsense. Just a way of manfrs saving cash by not fitting alloys as spares.

You're lucky - the favoured option for manufacturers nowadays is no spare wheel at all, just a useless can of foam. Apart from being cheaper I would guess it also improves their fuel economy/emissions figures.

Or run flats. Not great with low profile tyres and stiff sports suspension.


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Mine is the same year but the ST220, radius is the same as a 16" (near enough) but at over 9" wide the well is far to shallow (it fits in to stop it sliding around but the carpet is a bit humpy!), spare is a 16" steel with a normal sized tyre (not super skinny, about a 195/205 at a guess (only had it out once - possibly the same size as yours).

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post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 16:05
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AS an aside, if you fit the spacesaver and then go for a MOT it will fail.
I had a puncture shortly before the appointment, phoned up and the tester confirmed this.
Yet it is still legal to carry on driving.
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post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 17:27
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 23 May 2018 - 16:20) *
Mine is the same year but the ST220, radius is the same as a 16" (near enough) but at over 9" wide the well is far to shallow (it fits in to stop it sliding around but the carpet is a bit humpy!), spare is a 16" steel with a normal sized tyre (not super skinny, about a 195/205 at a guess (only had it out once - possibly the same size as yours).

My spacesaver is a Pirelli- 125/85/16 Max Speed 80KPH and pressure to be 61psi ( which I was surprised at) . Ive had the car 3 years and up to 4 weeks ago I doubt it had seen the light of day.
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post Wed, 23 May 2018 - 20:37
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Devils advocate here...

For many motorists, I'm glad they have no spare wheel (just an inflation kit). The condition of so many peoples spare wheels is terrifying.

You get the people with full size spares, who see the spare tyre as a way to put a new tyre on their car at minimal fitting cost only. The old tyre, no doubt worn right down is then put on the spare. Punture happens and the driver thinks its ok to then put on the sub 1.6mm tyre which has been sitting under the car for 4 years until payday when they can get another tyre.

You get the skinny spacesavers. I don't need to tell anyone that you get a scary number of nuggets who drive on these for weeks before thinking about a change. And they don't drive at 50- the cars are up at 70 on the motorway and still driven on country roads with no fear.

I therefore don't mind inflation kits being put in peoples cars, as so many people don't seem to want to use them/understand how to use them and just call recovery. I feel safer knowing certain people have to get towed after a blowout/destroyed tyre as it means they'll definitely invest in new rubber!
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QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Wed, 23 May 2018 - 21:37) *
I therefore don't mind inflation kits being put in peoples cars, as so many people don't seem to want to use them/understand how to use them and just call recovery. I feel safer knowing certain people have to get towed after a blowout/destroyed tyre as it means they'll definitely invest in new rubber!

Sadly those people will buy the cheapest ditchfinders they can get, which can have fatal consequences. To give give some context, I saw a driver overtake in the face of oncoming traffic a few months ago. I was the oncoming traffic. Emergency braking at 60 mph isn't my idea of fun and the car moved back into its own lane giving me less than half a car length to spare, fortunately I had the most expensive tyres money can buy fitted to my car. Judging from the braking distances data on tyrereviews.co.uk, if I'd been using budget tyres, I wouldn't have slowed down enough and would have had a head-on collision at a relative speed of well over 100 mph, so would almost certainly be dead.


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post Thu, 24 May 2018 - 05:47
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I wouldn't have slowed down enough and would have had a head-on collision at a relative speed of well over 100 mph, so would almost certainly be dead.

What’s the relative speed relavant to?


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 24 May 2018 - 06:47) *
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I wouldn't have slowed down enough and would have had a head-on collision at a relative speed of well over 100 mph, so would almost certainly be dead.

What’s the relative speed relavant to?

Is this the 2 cars going in opposite directions @ 50mph is the same as 1 car going into a wall @ 100mph myth?


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QUOTE (Jlc @ Thu, 24 May 2018 - 09:36) *
Is this the 2 cars going in opposite directions @ 50mph is the same as 1 car going into a wall @ 100mph myth?

Pretty much unless there is a huge disparity in vehicle weights, even then it gets nowhere near to 100mph equivalent, sounds good when telling horror stories though. (not that a crash at 50mph is something to enter into lightly of course).


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post Thu, 24 May 2018 - 18:40
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Thu, 24 May 2018 - 01:06) *
QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Wed, 23 May 2018 - 21:37) *
I therefore don't mind inflation kits being put in peoples cars, as so many people don't seem to want to use them/understand how to use them and just call recovery. I feel safer knowing certain people have to get towed after a blowout/destroyed tyre as it means they'll definitely invest in new rubber!

Sadly those people will buy the cheapest ditchfinders they can get, which can have fatal consequences. To give give some context, I saw a driver overtake in the face of oncoming traffic a few months ago. I was the oncoming traffic. Emergency braking at 60 mph isn't my idea of fun and the car moved back into its own lane giving me less than half a car length to spare, fortunately I had the most expensive tyres money can buy fitted to my car. Judging from the braking distances data on tyrereviews.co.uk, if I'd been using budget tyres, I wouldn't have slowed down enough and would have had a head-on collision at a relative speed of well over 100 mph, so would almost certainly be dead.

Its true, those people probably do buy ditch finders or worse- part worn!

That said, I'd take a new ditchfinder anyday over a worn Pirelli.

There are a few ditchfinders I've had in the past which have been phenomenal, but now I only buy Hankook or Uniroyal tyres... only very slightly more than ditchfinders (infact my last 2 tyres were about a month ago- 2 Hancooks and cost me £42 a tyre fully fitted- the budget option was more than that!).
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These days you're lucky to get a spare wheel/tyre at all - both mine and the wife's came with a bottle of "get you home" sealant stuff, and that's it!
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