Hackney PCN code 50l |
Hackney PCN code 50l |
Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 22:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 3 Feb 2016 Member No.: 82,157 |
Just received this today for a prohibited turn at the Mare Street junction with Richmond Road performed at 18:54 on Saturday 9th March 2019
But the photos are virtually impossible to see - the right hand side photo is just totally black. Details such as time of the offence is impossible to read. It refers you to look at the recordings online WWW.hackney.gov.uk/parking but it is impossible to locate the link where you can see the recordings. Please advise if I have any grounds of making a representation. Grateful for any advice! |
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Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 22:50
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Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 00:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 20,919 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
Only worth considering an appeal once you've seen the video. This is the sole evidence of the allegation, and must be submitted by the council if you get to adjudication. Others on here are expert at obtaining and posting the video, so wait a bit to see if they come on here. However, do not miss any deadlines.
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Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 09:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Many cases here - this was notorious last year when introduced but signage was improved. You were caught just a few mins before the end of the restriction at 7pm.
Best bet is have look at cases on the tribunal site to see if any appeals are being allowed recently. There are a lot of cases that have gone to the adjudicator and continue to do so. This post has been edited by stamfordman: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 10:24 |
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Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 10:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
Many cases here - this was notorious last year when introduced but signage was improved. You were caught just a few mins before the end of the restriction at 7pm. Best bet is have look at cases on the tribunal site to see if any appeals are being allowed recently. There are a lot of cases that have gone to the adjudicator and continue to do so. I was looking at Mare st last night re the bus lane. Appeals to the adjudicator are losing at a rate of about 3 to 1 -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 16:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 3 Feb 2016 Member No.: 82,157 |
can some please advise me how to get hold of the recordings by Hackney ....?
the information from the PCN is far from helpful - they just provided a general link www.hackney.gov.uk/parking and there is no link to viewing any recordings or still image .... I am not happy with the two still images on the PCN I cannot see the time the photo was taken on the left hand side photo and the right hand side photo is even worse - it is just a black blot .... Thank you very much for your help. |
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Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 17:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
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Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 18:04
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Member Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 3 Feb 2016 Member No.: 82,157 |
Thank you for the link.
I have now downloaded the still images and recording. I can see the time of the photo taken was 18:54:07 09/03/2019 (only 6 minutes away from the end of the restriction on a Saturday!!) The second still image shows my car registration number .... so I am not sure if there is any ground for appeal ...? any advice will be much appreciated ! Thank you. |
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Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 18:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
put the video on youtube and let's see if we can spot anything. I also looked at a few of the appeals and a few are being allowed on signage but seems to be pot luck on which adjudicator.
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Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 21:17
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Member Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 3 Feb 2016 Member No.: 82,157 |
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Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 21:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Bus came through just before which could well have unsighted at least the sign or signs on the left.
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Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 23:09
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
This is relevant: https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-n...il-100k-a-week/
Also see this thread: http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?s=&...t&p=1411505 -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 00:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 3 Feb 2016 Member No.: 82,157 |
Yes. the bus was on the left lane (near the pavement) - it could have blocked my sight of the no left turn sign. Any ground for appeal ? also isn't there a sign on the right hand side - in the middle of the road ...? Understood the sign has subsequently improved after many complaints ... I think my notice is served in time - so no ground of appealing for out of time .... PCN code is 50l - although the wording is only 50l Performing a prohibited turn - but 50l according to Hackney council - it meant no left turn .... |
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Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 10:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Yes. the bus was on the left lane (near the pavement) - it could have blocked my sight of the no left turn sign. Any ground for appeal ? also isn't there a sign on the right hand side - in the middle of the road ...? I have no idea, if you want to challenge on the signage it's normally best to get your own photos. Understood the sign has subsequently improved after many complaints ... Again, without seeing updated pictures I'm not sure we can comment on adequacy. The bus might be a factor but this alone won't be enough. I think my notice is served in time - so no ground of appealing for out of time .... Agreed. PCN code is 50l - although the wording is only 50l Performing a prohibited turn - but 50l according to Hackney council - it meant no left turn .... Some adjudicators will accept the notice as being sufficiently particularised, others won't. It's still worth throwing in this argument, but you need to lead on the signage. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 10:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 35,064 Joined: 2 Aug 2008 From: Woking Member No.: 21,551 |
OP, the truth would inform the conviction behind any reps or appeal.
If you were driving, you know whether 'could have' means did or didn't. You also know whether you were aware of the restriction anyway. In short, you know the truth and whether on this basis you would be relyng on a technical defence. This is not to say that such defences lack merit, far from it. But being clear in your own mind can only help. This post has been edited by hcandersen: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 11:00 |
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Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 16:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 3 Feb 2016 Member No.: 82,157 |
I have to say I was not aware of the restriction of no left turn. I have used this access from Mare street to Richmond roads from time to time for all these years.
If I was following and behind a bus just before turning, I don't think I would see the sign. I don't know if my taking my own photos will prove anything, unless I can simulate the situation ie following and behind the bus just before turning. |
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Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 16:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
The timed restriction was put in last June as part of a traffic scheme in the area. It generated a huge number of PCNs and a lot of fuss, even making the national papers I think. Most of the early PCNs were cancelled on appeal but Hackney then upgraded the signage. I live near but would find it hard to take pics as I wouldn't be able to turn left to go home at the times I've driving nearby (taking kids to school).
This post has been edited by stamfordman: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 16:40 |
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Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 18:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 3 Feb 2016 Member No.: 82,157 |
And also the pics are only useful if they are taken behind a bus - in order to demonstrate the sight of the sign would be obstructed by the bus.
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Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 19:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
And also the pics are only useful if they are taken behind a bus - in order to demonstrate the sight of the sign would be obstructed by the bus. Might be worth taking a picture when a bus drives by then, in central London there must be at least one every five minutes on every major road. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 19:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
I would just appeal on the basis you had not been in the area for some time and was concentrating on approaching the left turn while a bus had been close by on the inside, and you did not see any signage (I think there is a sign on an island on the right now and two on the left but you would have been focusing more on the left and onen on the left is known to be awkward). Say you feel this happened having reviewed the council video.
I would add any other points too. May as well chuck in that you also now see it was close to 7 pm on a Saturday. I have no idea why they extended it to Saturday as it came in with a school street scheme further south. I would also look on the tribunal site for any hints from the allowed appeals. |
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Tue, 19 Mar 2019 - 00:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 3 Feb 2016 Member No.: 82,157 |
Just that Hackney have learned from all the successful appeals and rectified all their previous mistakes - thus reducing the chances of a successful appeals.
Such as improved the signage, adding 50l (instead of just 50), the location is also made clear as mare st (D) junction with Richmond road. So grounds for appeals in some of the successful cases are no longer valid |
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