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shadesbass
post Sat, 20 Jul 2019 - 20:40
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Hi, the driver visited the Aylesbury Shopping Park (Cambridge Close) and received a parking charge from UKPC on the windscreen. The driver didn't spot the signs stating that the first 2 hours are free but only with a ticket. The driver was only there about half an hour to visit a couple of shops. The 'time first seen' and 'issue time' are 16 minutes apart.

My initial thought was that the driver should just pay up, but a bit of research led me here. Should they sit tight and wait for a letter?
Slight complication that the driver and registered keeper are different.

Photos attached of the parking charge and a couple from UKPC of the signs.

Thanks in advance for any help or advice.

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shadesbass
post Mon, 11 Nov 2019 - 13:52
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Mon, 11 Nov 2019 - 09:23) *
4) There is no single 20 min period, theres an unspecified amount at the start, and at least 10 at the end.


Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but don't sections 13.2 and 13.4 of the latest BPA CoP specify at least 10 minutes at the start and end, giving a combined 20 minute minimum (granted not a single period as I implied)?

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13.2 If the parking location is one where parking is normally permitted, you must allow the driver a reasonable grace period in addition to the parking event before enforcement action is taken. In such instances the grace period must be a minimum of 10 minutes.
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13.4 You should allow the driver a reasonable period to leave the private car park after the parking contract has ended, before you take enforcement action. If the location is one where parking is normally permitted, the Grace Period at the end of the parking period should be a minimum of 10 minutes.

From: https://www.britishparking.co.uk/Code-of-Pr...ance-Monitoring

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nosferatu1001
post Mon, 11 Nov 2019 - 16:17
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Yes, but the claim is that the difference was 16minutes at the START - not 10
There isnt a single 20 minute period to be split how the driver wishes; it is (at least) 10 at the start, and (at least) 10 at the end.

A delay of 16 minutes at the start needs some explanaton - queuing traffic? Busier than normal? Needing to download an app as no coins? etc.

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shadesbass
post Mon, 11 Nov 2019 - 17:51
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OK thanks, I understand.
There isn't much in the way of explanation as the driver did not know that a ticket was required at all. The best that could probably be said is that the contract is redacted and therefore the grace period at this site cannot be determined?
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post Tue, 12 Nov 2019 - 14:39
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That is one way to go
But I wouldnt have argue grace a tall, as that period over isnt going to work to much

But as you point out, teh contract is too redacted to be of much use - there is no proof that the signatures relate to the company.
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post Tue, 12 Nov 2019 - 16:38
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Thanks for all the help. The response has been submitted now, highlighting the redacted contract.
Grace period was included in the original POPLA appeal but in hindsight it probably isn't going to count.
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post Thu, 14 Nov 2019 - 17:04
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I believe the NtK is not PoFA compliant because it fails to include:
The period of parking to which the notice relates
Identity of the creditor


That will not work but wait and see.

Please no asking what the ''next step'' is when a person loses at POPLA, if you do (and I suspect you might). It is clearly - winning in court instead.
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