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[NIP Wizard] Red light camara - filtering but stopped past the line to ensure I was seen by lorry
Stevetheranger
post Wed, 17 Jul 2019 - 19:55
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - June 2019
Date of the NIP: - 5 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 7 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A580 East Lancs Road, app to Worsley Road, Swindon, UNITED KINGDOM
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I was on my motorcycle in rush hour, filtered to the front of a line of traffic of which there was a panel van on my left and a skip wagon on my right. There is around 20 meters before the crossing roads traffic appears and no crossing for pedestrians (barriers). I slowly went passed the line and stopped 6 ft in front of the skip lorry to enable him to see me where I remained until the lights turned green. Offence is going through a red light >25 seconds

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England
- England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:

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post Wed, 2 Oct 2019 - 19:19
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QUOTE (Stevetheranger @ Wed, 2 Oct 2019 - 19:54) *
Ok, well I admitted it was me! The camera may have taken stills but I was going so slow it looked like a video. Anyway, will check back once my outcome is known but to be clear - if the offence was 1st January, and I confirm I was the driver within the 28 days, regardless of the punishment (COFP, Court summons, awareness course) is there a ti,e limit for me to be informed that there will be further action?

Thanks in advance

The time limit is 6 months. So if your offence was on 30 June (You've not given an exact date), the police have until 30 December 2019 to institute proceedings so they could send you an SJPN or a postal requisition at some point in January. If they offer a non-court disposal, they will need to contact you significantly sooner than this because they need to give you enough time to accept it / complete a course, and still be within the time-limit to prosecute if you don't accept the offer.


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Stevetheranger
post Wed, 2 Oct 2019 - 19:53
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Thanks, I am probably being thick but, in theory, if my offence date was 1st January and they have 6 months to bring proceedings, on 1st July am I only waiting a few days for the post in case a letter is received dated 30th of June (regardless of the planned course of action)?
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The Rookie
post Wed, 2 Oct 2019 - 20:04
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They have to commence proceedings within 6 months of the offence, the paperwork can be received some short time after that. Commencing proceedings is by raising the paperwork, that must then be served.


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post Wed, 2 Oct 2019 - 20:16
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QUOTE (Stevetheranger @ Wed, 2 Oct 2019 - 20:53) *
Thanks, I am probably being thick but, in theory, if my offence date was 1st January and they have 6 months to bring proceedings, on 1st July am I only waiting a few days for the post in case a letter is received dated 30th of June (regardless of the planned course of action)?

They can wait a couple of weeks to post the paperwork. If they sat on it for months and months maybe you could argue it's an abuse of process.


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Stevetheranger
post Thu, 3 Oct 2019 - 20:35
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Thanks all - will just have to wait now but I will put a reply up with the outcome.
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post Fri, 4 Oct 2019 - 07:01
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What is the most likely outcome for this? Short driving ban?
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The Rookie
post Fri, 4 Oct 2019 - 07:17
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No.

While a ban is not impossible it's vanishingly unlikely.
3 points (the max and min for the offence!) and a fine in Band A of 25-75% of your weekly income (less Tax and NI only), for that time into red it may be towards the upper end of that unless they accept your explanation. You'll get a 1/3 discount off thet for pleading guilty at the first opportunity, plus costs of £85 and a surcharge of 10% of the fine (minimum £32).

Guidance, about half way down the page ("Fail to comply with traffic sign (for example, red traffic light, stop sign, double white lines, no entry sign)")
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offenc...ply_white_lines

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Stevetheranger
post Sun, 12 Jan 2020 - 12:19
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Update - I haven’t had any further communications. I do know the team that deal with these are way behind however I am hoping this has either been dropped on the basis I didn’t go through the junction or I have benefited from their backlog.

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post Sun, 12 Jan 2020 - 13:33
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Instigating proceedings is a very quick and simple process. Collating the bundle of evidence typically served with the SJPN seems to take a few weeks (from when the proceedings are allegedly instigated).

If the offence was at the end of June, and proceedings had to be instigated by the end of December, it would be slightly unusual to receive anything earlier than now - so the fact that you haven't doesn't mean much.


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post Sun, 12 Jan 2020 - 14:59
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If nothing's been instigated, it's too late now. So you might as well contact them and find out.


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post Sun, 12 Jan 2020 - 15:28
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@CP
Are you dismissal of the fact proceedings may have been instigated but the paperwork is late or suggeting that it matters not now one way or another?

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The Rookie
post Sun, 12 Jan 2020 - 16:43
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He’s saying it’s too late now to COMMENCE proceedings, so if you call them and they haven’t it makes no odds, they can’t now do it, if you call them and they say they have it makes no odds except you knowing.

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mickR
post Sun, 12 Jan 2020 - 17:07
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Yeah read it to quick first time
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Stevetheranger
post Sun, 19 Jul 2020 - 10:50
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Just an update - nothing further received, I assume that is the end of the matter biggrin.gif
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bill w
post Sun, 19 Jul 2020 - 11:29
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QUOTE (Stevetheranger @ Sun, 19 Jul 2020 - 11:50) *
Just an update - nothing further received, I assume that is the end of the matter biggrin.gif


I'm no expert here, but I'd suggest checking your driving licence on-line to make sure you haven't been convicted of anything in your absence.
Hopefully all will be well.
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post Sun, 19 Jul 2020 - 11:47
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QUOTE (bill w @ Sun, 19 Jul 2020 - 12:29) *
QUOTE (Stevetheranger @ Sun, 19 Jul 2020 - 11:50) *
Just an update - nothing further received, I assume that is the end of the matter biggrin.gif


I'm no expert here, but I'd suggest checking your driving licence on-line to make sure you haven't been convicted of anything in your absence.
Hopefully all will be well.


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Stevetheranger
post Mon, 20 Jul 2020 - 07:54
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QUOTE (Ocelot @ Sun, 19 Jul 2020 - 11:47) *
QUOTE (bill w @ Sun, 19 Jul 2020 - 12:29) *
QUOTE (Stevetheranger @ Sun, 19 Jul 2020 - 11:50) *
Just an update - nothing further received, I assume that is the end of the matter biggrin.gif


I'm no expert here, but I'd suggest checking your driving licence on-line to make sure you haven't been convicted of anything in your absence.
Hopefully all will be well.


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Just checked, all good biggrin.gif
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