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Parking Charge Notice 01, PCN 01 Issued
Firtree
post Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 19:01
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Hello. This is my first time on the forum so apologies if I haven't found my way around properly. Also, thank you for the time you give up to helping people like myself issued with a Council PCN.

The situation:
I was parked approx. 5 meters off a road which was painted with double yellow lines.
The area that I had parked on was off the road. It is a grassed area and on the premises of a dissused police station. (Many town police stations have been vacated for a long time).
It was a Sunday morning, and when I returned to my vehicle the PCN was attached to the windscreen.
There were no photos attached.
I have appealed (same day as getting the PCN) stating that I was not on the restricted road, but the appeal has been rejected by the Council stating: 'The reasons given for parking there are not acceptable grounds for cancellation of the PCN'.

I was reading an earlier post from a person who received a Code 01 and one of the respondents stated 'Code 01 relates only to parking on double yellow lines'. However, I have read that Code 01 relates to yellow lines and verges.
In my case, I believe that I was on private land (no private parking signs) and, therefore, not infringing any parking laws.
Where a verge boundary ends, in my case, is not clear.

I would be much obliged if someone could help me in getting appeal togethet for making further representation as I feel that I am the victim of an over zealous parking attendant who appears to have no proof. At least none that I have seen so far.

Picture attached of other cars parked 2 days after I received a ticket. My car was parked in the same place as the grey car which is behind the white vehicle.

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post Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 22:11
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Please post the PCN which may contain fatal errors of content. At the moment you look to be bang-to-rights as the DYLs apply to footways and verges up to the property line. Here, it will be argued that that is the hedge surrounding the house. Even if the grassed area is privately owned, if the public are free to pass it is part of the road. There was a case many years ago just on this, a Dr Dawood, I think.
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post Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 13:54
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Thanks for your reply incandescent, although, I was hoping not to have infringed the parking restrictions. From what you say, the council have every right to ticket me.

Here is the PCN:

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post Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 14:18
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Put up a streetview link please to the location pls
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post Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 17:15
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Hello Dancing Dad,there is a streetview in my OP.
Are you looking for a picture with a different perspective ?
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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 00:07
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We need a link to the location on Google Street View. Also show us the back of the PCN.


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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 07:41
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 01:07) *
We need a link to the location on Google Street View. Also show us the back of the PCN.


Could you please advise me on what you are looking for with the street view and PCN info. This would help with my future understanding. Thanks.

I have identified where I was parked (yellow circle) using the bird’s eye view picture on my original post to this string. Please take a look.

As requested, street links (satellite & normal):

https://mapstreetview.com/#uj1uv_-i4ol_7m.0_ji81
https://mapstreetview.com/#uj1uv_-i4ol_7m_0_ji81

Also reverse side of PCN attached.

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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 09:33
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The rear of the PCN sometimes contains errors in the small print that make it invalid, but it looks ok on this occasion. Streetview is very useful to help us understand the street layout.

I think we need to see the council pics.


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QUOTE (Firtree @ Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 18:15) *
Hello Dancing Dad,there is a streetview in my OP.
Are you looking for a picture with a different perspective ?


Yes, we want to have a look around, be nosy, see what may support (or damn) the parking position.
Can't do that from one picture.
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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 11:17
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 10:33) *
The rear of the PCN sometimes contains errors in the small print that make it invalid, but it looks ok on this occasion. Streetview is very useful to help us understand the street layout.

I think we need to see the council pics.


How do I get hold of the Council picture, assuming they have one ?
Apolgies for being a bit slow with all this. I have never received a parking ticket in all my 42 years of driving.
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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 11:23
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Go the council's PCN page and see if there is a login to appeal and view pics. What council is this?

Use an external site for pics such as Imgur and post the BBCode links

Post the Google Street View link not stills.
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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 12:29
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 12:23) *
. . . .

Post the Google Street View link not stills.


Here ya go: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2772911,-...3312!8i6656
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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 12:42
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Post the Google Street View link not stills.[/quote]

Here ya go: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2772911,-...3312!8i6656
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Thanks Steve_999.
I am trying to get up to speed on posting links and pics on this forum so please bare with me.

Will try and get Hart council pics now.

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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 12:43
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QUOTE (Steve_999 @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 13:29) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 12:23) *
. . . .

Post the Google Street View link not stills.


Here ya go: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2772911,-...3312!8i6656

Looks bang to rights to me.


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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 13:09
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Looks like a vehicle cross over to me with a dropped kerb.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2774349,-...3312!8i6656

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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 13:11
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QUOTE (Mad Mick V @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 14:09) *
Looks like a vehicle cross over to me with a dropped kerb.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2774349,-...3312!8i6656

Mick

The footpath to the main entrance of th building?


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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 13:29
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 12:23) *
Go the council's PCN page and see if there is a login to appeal and view pics. What council is this?


Hart District Council have nothing on their website that has a link to PCN pictures.

Is it worth emailing or calling the Council parking department and asking for their evidence ?

Are District Councils obliged to give the evidence to drivers who are issued PCNs ?
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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 15:27
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 14:11) *
QUOTE (Mad Mick V @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 14:09) *
Looks like a vehicle cross over to me with a dropped kerb.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2774349,-...3312!8i6656

Mick

The footpath to the main entrance of th building?


The dropped kerb does have a footpath to a side entrance to the old police building. The entrance is now overgrown.
I suspect that the DYL were put in place when the building was used as a police station. As I mentioned earlier, the building has been empty for the past 3 years and has not been occupied since.
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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 18:42
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QUOTE (Firtree @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 14:29) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 12:23) *
Go the council's PCN page and see if there is a login to appeal and view pics. What council is this?


Hart District Council have nothing on their website that has a link to PCN pictures.

Is it worth emailing or calling the Council parking department and asking for their evidence ?

Are District Councils obliged to give the evidence to drivers who are issued PCNs ?

Email the council and ask for the pictures, they normally oblige.


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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 21:04
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If I do receive the picture(s) from the District Council, can the Council be challenged verbally/email prior to the NtO being received. For example, can I challenge them to define where the verge begins and/or whether a disused footpath to disused police building can result in a PCN being issued.

I would like to, with your good help, explore all possibilities before throwing my hands up.
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