Ticket doing 38 on 30 with provisional license, Doing 38 on a 30 with provisional license |
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Helping the motorist get justice
Ticket doing 38 on 30 with provisional license, Doing 38 on a 30 with provisional license |
 Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 11:58
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Hi, my friend was driving my car and a manned camera got him in the back of a van. He was doing 38mph on a 30mph zone. He has a provisional license and since it was a new area we where not familiar with the roads.
My question is since he was driving can the points go on his provisional license or does it have to be some one registered on the car? My secound question is would he get a course for this speed he was doing or straight fine and points? |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 11:58
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:09
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QUOTE (Taz1234 @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:58)  Hi, my friend was driving my car and a manned camera got him in the back of a van. He was doing 38mph on a 30mph zone. He has a provisional license and since it was a new area we where not familiar with the roads. My question is since he was driving can the points go on his provisional license or does it have to be some one registered on the car? My secound question is would he get a course for this speed he was doing or straight fine and points? Any points would go on his license, that speed qualifies for a course. |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:13
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Is he insured to drive your car? You don’t have to answer but consider the consequences if for any reason he was not.
This post has been edited by southpaw82: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:13 -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:24
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QUOTE (Taz1234 @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:58) does it have to be some one registered on the car? I'm not sure what concept you think there is of 'someone registered on the car?' There is a registered keeper but that person may or may not ever drive a car (Lease cars have the Leasing company as RK, but a company clearly can never drive a car), points for speeding are always given to the driver even if they have no licence (when a virtual one is created and the points added to any substantive license they then ever get). In addition (and same caveat about answering applies) to SP's question is whether the Provisional license holder was being adequately supervised. Camera teams do not routinely check these things if the people involved give them no reason to, so if further offences may have been committed it makes no sense to 'rock the boat' at all. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:29
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 13:24) In addition (and same caveat about answering applies) to SP's question is whether the Provisional license holder was being adequately supervised. Camera teams do not routinely check these things if the people involved give them no reason to, so if further offences may have been committed it makes no sense to 'rock the boat' at all. +1, I would grab anything they offer with both hands and hope no-one checks anything. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:32
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 13:13) Is he insured to drive your car? You don’t have to answer but consider the consequences if for any reason he was not. Leaving aside the questions about L Plates ( were they used) ,The accompanying person ( presumably OP) being a full licence holder and the obligation to not allow the driver to exceed the speed limit . ( You dont have to answer about those things either OP)) |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:35
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QUOTE (StuartBu @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 13:32) ...and the obligation to not allow the driver to exceed the speed limit . ( You dont have to answer about those things either OP)) What obligation? I know there's an "inciting SP30" offence but I've not heard of "allowing SP30". -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,178 Joined: 1 Jan 2013 From: Glasgow Member No.: 59,097 |
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 13:35) QUOTE (StuartBu @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 13:32) ...and the obligation to not allow the driver to exceed the speed limit . ( You dont have to answer about those things either OP)) What obligation? I know there's an "inciting SP30" offence but I've not heard of "allowing SP30". I DID NOT mention any specific offence relating to what I wrote but do you think it is OK for anyone supervising a learner to allow the pupil to ( amongst other things) exceed the speed limit .....surely that goes hand in hand with being a supervisor. |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:49
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QUOTE (StuartBu @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 13:41) ...for anyone supervising a learner to allow the pupil to ( amongst other things) exceed the speed limit .....surely that goes hand in hand with being a supervisor. The driver still has responsibility for knowing/abiding by the limit. The 'supervisor' of course can provide some advice. But what is most surprising is that it they were on 'unfamiliar' roads. Why do people speed on such roads as I tend to be even more observant/careful on such roads? This post has been edited by Jlc: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:50 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,178 Joined: 1 Jan 2013 From: Glasgow Member No.: 59,097 |
QUOTE (Jlc @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 13:49) QUOTE (StuartBu @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 13:41) ...for anyone supervising a learner to allow the pupil to ( amongst other things) exceed the speed limit .....surely that goes hand in hand with being a supervisor. The driver still has responsibility for knowing/abiding by the limit. The 'supervisor' of course can provide some advice. But what is most surprising is that it they were on 'unfamiliar' roads. Why do people speed on such roads as I tend to be even more observant/careful on such roads? Perhaps my use of the word "allow" wasn't the best but anyone with half a brain knows exactly what I meant . I also found out that it is illegal for a "supervisor" to use a mobile 'phone while supervising and also they must wear glasses if they normally wear them while driving !!!! This post has been edited by StuartBu: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 13:13 |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 15:01
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