[NIP Wizard] NIP posted 54 days after an offence |
[NIP Wizard] NIP posted 54 days after an offence |
Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 14:48
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - March 2020 Date of the NIP: - 73 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 74 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - M1-4434A J30-J31 Northbound Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - Named driver. My partner owns the vehicle How many current points do you have? - 0 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - The NIP states that I was driving at 61mph where the variable speed limit was 50 mph. My partner received the original NIP which was dated 14/05/2020 for the alleged offence that took place on 21/03/2020. The NIP was therefore posted by the police 54 days after the alleged offence. My partner responded by completing the NIP naming myself as the driver along with a letter stating that the NIP is over the 14 day time limit and therefore cannot be acted upon. I have today received a NIP addressed to me and there has been no acknowledgement by the police to the letter sent by my partner. I would like advice on how to respond to the NIP. I have copies of the original NIP so can demonstrate that it was sent outside of the 14 day time frame. NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - No Is the NIP addressed to you personally? - Yes Although you are not the Registered Keeper, were you the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 14:54
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Is it a leased vehicle? If not, does your partner physically have the V5C?
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 14:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 233 Joined: 28 Jun 2011 Member No.: 47,856 |
Does your partner have the V5 for the car?
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 14:57
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The vehicle is owned by my partner, it is not a leased vehicle. Yes my partner has the V5C.
This post has been edited by astralseraph: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 14:57 |
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 15:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 233 Joined: 28 Jun 2011 Member No.: 47,856 |
Is the car a recent purchase? have you moved house recently? What is the docref date on page 2 of the V5?
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 15:02
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 20 May 2020 Member No.: 108,719 |
My partner has owned the car for over 10 years. We changed address 2 years ago, but we updated the address details with the DVLA etc., immediately after moving house.
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 15:25
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Member Group: Members Posts: 233 Joined: 28 Jun 2011 Member No.: 47,856 |
And the docref date?
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 15:34
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My partner has owned the car for over 10 years. We changed address 2 years ago, but we updated the address details with the DVLA etc., immediately after moving house. Have you checked the logbook (V5C)? Updating driving licences doesn't update the V5C which is a common occurance we see on this forum hence why we like to double-check. |
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 15:44
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 20 May 2020 Member No.: 108,719 |
Sorry, it's xxxxxxx
This post has been edited by astralseraph: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 15:47 |
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 15:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
I would like advice on how to respond to the NIP. I have copies of the original NIP so can demonstrate that it was sent outside of the 14 day time frame. By confirming you were the driver - as that is the only question they ask. (And even if the NIP was 'late' the request still stands) You need to be certain where the 1st NIP went - as it could be a costly experience at court if you're wrong. It would be highly unusual to issue a 1st NIP after 54 days. Sorry, it's 5xx9 5x9 2xx0 It's the date we need - in DD MM YY format. This post has been edited by Jlc: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 15:46 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 15:48
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 20 May 2020 Member No.: 108,719 |
Just gotten to the bottom of it. Seems the log book hasn't been updated. Looks like I'll be going along to a driver awareness course...
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 16:01
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Just gotten to the bottom of it. Seems the log book hasn't been updated. Looks like I'll be going along to a driver awareness course... Ok, there's usually an explanation which is why it must be checked first... The positive is that you have the opportunity to attend a course rather than performing a Statutory Declaration at court because you've been convicted in your absence... (As this often happens) They appear to have performed some additional checks, e.g. insurance details. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 - 16:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Just gotten to the bottom of it. Seems the log book hasn't been updated. Looks like I'll be going along to a driver awareness course... And that’s why we always ask..... and we are used to posters getting a bit defensive until they then find out.... Check the tax is up to date as well as you (she) won’t have been getting reminders and any penalty will have been sent to your old address. Just for completeness, failing to update the registered keepers address is a separate criminal offence although one that is rarely prosecuted. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sun, 7 Jun 2020 - 07:47
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There are still late nips, there is a recent thread on PistonHeads about one.
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Sun, 7 Jun 2020 - 08:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
There are still late nips, there is a recent thread on PistonHeads about one. There's a recent one on here too. Albeit a subtle one as posted on day 13. This post has been edited by Jlc: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 - 08:44 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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