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oldstoat
post Thu, 8 Aug 2019 - 18:11
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-4927...teep-tower-hill


Considering that the BBC have journo's It seems reasonable for them to get facts before speculating.

Q1 If the driver was using Sat Nav, why was he not using a proper Truck sat nav.

Q2 Why was the driver not using common sense.





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Betteridge's Law.

That's what the BBC News pages seem to have descended to nowadays - clickbait.


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post Thu, 8 Aug 2019 - 19:40
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that appears to be true. Sad times


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post Thu, 8 Aug 2019 - 22:29
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QUOTE (oldstoat @ Thu, 8 Aug 2019 - 19:11) *
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-4927...teep-tower-hill


Considering that the BBC have journo's It seems reasonable for them to get facts before speculating.

Q1 If the driver was using Sat Nav, why was he not using a proper Truck sat nav.

Q2 Why was the driver not using common sense.


Unless I've missed something, they were asking a question, not speculating.

Anyway, would you really want them to send a journalist to investigate such a trivial incident?
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QUOTE (666 @ Thu, 8 Aug 2019 - 23:29) *
Unless I've missed something, they were asking a question, not speculating.

What's the point of a journalist asking their readers a question about the incident they're reporting? The idea is that the journalist finds out what happened and then tells their readers, it's not meant to be some sort of "Ask The Audience" thing.

QUOTE (666 @ Thu, 8 Aug 2019 - 23:29) *
Anyway, would you really want them to send a journalist to investigate such a trivial incident?

Nobody sends journalists out of their way to cover stories like this; it's all just syndicated from the same local reporter's story.


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QUOTE (oldstoat @ Thu, 8 Aug 2019 - 19:11) *
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-4927...teep-tower-hill


Considering that the BBC have journo's It seems reasonable for them to get facts before speculating.

Q1 If the driver was using Sat Nav, why was he not using a proper Truck sat nav.

Q2 Why was the driver not using common sense.


Possible Answers:-

1. Because Truck Sat Navs cost about twice what a car one does.

2. Common sense is a very uncommon thing, and people seem to be losing what I would call an enquiring mind and just blindly accept whatever they're told by the media (social or otherwise) and their various devices. I once had a colleague who said that "if it's on facebook, it must be true"!
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QUOTE (DastardlyDick @ Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 11:52) *
I once had a colleague who said that "if it's on facebook, it must be true"!


I don't know about you, but I blame the EU for that. Bloody directives
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QUOTE (DastardlyDick @ Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 11:52) *
2. Common sense is a very uncommon thing, and people seem to be losing what I would call an enquiring mind and just blindly accept whatever they're told by the media (social or otherwise) and their various devices. I once had a colleague who said that "if it's on facebook, it must be true"!

Maybe I'm just too young, but I did not know people once had enquiring minds. I've always assumed most people are stupid and just believe what they're told, especially if the person telling them is an "expert" or "official".


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 18:58) *
QUOTE (DastardlyDick @ Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 11:52) *
2. Common sense is a very uncommon thing, and people seem to be losing what I would call an enquiring mind and just blindly accept whatever they're told by the media (social or otherwise) and their various devices. I once had a colleague who said that "if it's on facebook, it must be true"!

Maybe I'm just too young, but I did not know people once had enquiring minds. I've always assumed most people are stupid and just believe what they're told, especially if the person telling them is an "expert" or "official".


Some people did and still have common sense, knowledge and enquiring minds.
The difficulty has always been trying to sort those that do from the majority who haven't a clue.
But delight in telling all how much they know.
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post Sat, 10 Aug 2019 - 07:47
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 18:58) *
I've always assumed most people are stupid and just believe what they're told, especially if the person telling them is an "expert" or "official".

It seems the opposite now. Experts are dismissed as fake news (or put another way, "telling an inconvenient truth"), as we'd all rather hear what we want to in our own echo chambers.
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post Sat, 10 Aug 2019 - 10:04
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QUOTE (The Slithy Tove @ Sat, 10 Aug 2019 - 08:47) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 18:58) *
I've always assumed most people are stupid and just believe what they're told, especially if the person telling them is an "expert" or "official".

It seems the opposite now. Experts are dismissed as fake news (or put another way, "telling an inconvenient truth"), as we'd all rather hear what we want to in our own echo chambers.


"Experts" ???
Very often someone with a great deal of knowledge within a very narrow field who cannot tie their own shoelaces.
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post Sat, 10 Aug 2019 - 12:10
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At least most of the time the Satnav can be programmed with a post code, unlike a map

It was a regular occurrence to find a truck stranded in the middle of the High Street, Wollaston, Northamptonshire

They were always eastern Europeans delivering medical products for a Netherlands company

Tried to help one day and found that the destination had a DY post code for another Wollaston near Stourbridge about 90 miles away

I had visions of the Eddie Stobart version of the Flying Dutchman
A ghostly army of truck drivers doomed to wander the country until they found the right Middleton, Newport, Newtown or Sutton
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post Sat, 10 Aug 2019 - 14:05
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QUOTE (The Slithy Tove @ Sat, 10 Aug 2019 - 08:47) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 18:58) *
I've always assumed most people are stupid and just believe what they're told, especially if the person telling them is an "expert" or "official".

It seems the opposite now. Experts are dismissed as fake news (or put another way, "telling an inconvenient truth"), as we'd all rather hear what we want to in our own echo chambers.

When an MOT tester told someone I know that the could drive home having received a dangerous fail on their MOT, and that the number plate regulations had recently been relaxed, I was curious so popped in for a chat as the car was dropped off for a retest. Turned out that the MOT tester had heard from the police that there's "some weird loophole" and you can now "get away with it" unless you're stopped by a police officer who's "had a bad day". And yet most people would consider an MOT tester to be an "expert" and take what they say as gospel.

And then we have the 999/101 operators who don't know anything, just to give you a few real life examples over the past few years:

Me: "Yes, I'm on the M20 carriageway A, just past such and such a kilometre marker"
999 operator: "So is that going towards London or away from London? Are you near any junctions"?

Me: "Hello, I'd like to report someone for abstract electricity":
101 operator : "Abstra-what?"

Me: "Hello, I'd like to report such and such an offence"
101 operator: "Oh that offence can't be dealt with unless it's been witnessed by and officer"
me: "but your constabulary has dealt with this before, in fact such a case just recently went to court and it wasn't witnessed by an officer?"
101 operator: "yeah but no, I've never heard of that happening. I don't know who would deal with that."

And yet the man on the street would take whatever is conveyed to them by the police call centre as gospel, after all they're the experts.

And don't get me started on the local council, who are meant to be the experts on highways regulations and yet I've been trying to help them get their heads round RTRA s 85 for almost two years now and they still don't get it.

So don't you tell me about your bloody experts!


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 10 Aug 2019 - 15:05) *
.........Me: "Yes, I'm on the M20 carriageway A, just past such and such a kilometre marker"
999 operator: "So is that going towards London or away from London? Are you near any junctions"?...……..


That reminds me of a call I made some years back...pre mobile phones so was from an emergency call box on side of the M6.
I had narrowly avoided a folded lorry tarpaulin that had ended up in the outside lane of the slip from M1 north to M6.

Decided to do my civic duty bit and phoned to advise that it was there, someone hitting it could have ended up airborne.
The operator didn't have a clue where I was or where I was describing despite me giving phone ref number, mile marker and (I would have thought) a very clear location re M1 north/M6 junction.
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post Sun, 11 Aug 2019 - 11:39
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I once stopped on the hard shoulder to report debris in the road. Scaffold boards.
Must have been 30 years ago.
I was told by the person on the end of the emergency phone that I should not have stopped unless it was an emergency.
I explained that drivers were having to take evasive action to avoid them but they didn’t want to know.
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post Sun, 11 Aug 2019 - 14:36
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Betteridge's Law reminds me of this: http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/
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