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VWGOLFGIRL99
Posted on: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 - 11:26


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2180173819 is the case reference
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Posted on: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 - 11:15


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For your update anyone who has been following this forum post I received a response today from the adjudicators 6months after the contravention date. It has been refused and I now have to pay £130. Great ������������ so I’ve just paid £250 to service my car another £200 for road tax and now this!

F in greedy b stards they know that box junction is wrong! It is over serving a purpose ON PURPOSE! I feel so upset right now simply because it’s such an unfair box junction and it’s totally about revenue.

How can you give cars entering a T junction road more privellage over cars exiting! It makes no sense! Are they really trying to say that they realized they needed to put a box junction here crossing the whole road because its important for cars to be able to enter the road more easily. What goes in a t-road must come out right!!! Be careful don’t treat it like a normal left turn because on your way out you will be hit with a fine for making a normal manoeuvre. It’s their trap!!! box Junction, One car space and then traffic lights! That you don’t know are there unless you know the roads. You are doomed!! (witch laughter) F in Cnts!!

It’s just Greed and day light robbery that I’ve just proved we the jo public can do nothing about because we live in a corrupt world. There is too much revenue to lose if they agree that they are wrong!!! As I said hiding behind a box junction law that shouldn’t be there!!! NOT ALL BOX JUNCTIONS ARE LEGAL AND THEY KNOW IT!
I will post up the last correspondence shortly I’m just a little overwhelmed right now.

When the adjudicators can take so long to respond it just goes to show that my case was strong! I’m no fool. I’ll pay the greedy FCKS but I can’t be left feeling so deflated it’s a shame!!!
Pay £130 now we gave you the chance to pay £65 again and again because we knew you would loose. So if you get a ticket again you won’t appeal you will be too. Frightened to appeal!! (Evil laugh...they win again!) Politricks!
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Posted on: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 18:03


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Hi guys just way of update if you are following this post. My case was considered on1st June 2018 but the adjudicator did not make a final decision and has adjourned the case. It will come back to list for decision on 29th June 2018.
I’m praying this is a good sign. Thanks again everyone esp (Pastmybest) for advice and support and helping me to articulate my argument. 😆👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
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Posted on: Thu, 31 May 2018 - 09:38


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Oh my! Thank you PASTMYBEST you are so dedicated to the cause. I’ve learnt so much about everything. I do however want to trade my car in for a scooter as I have now become hesitant at every box junction. I have had a couple of people beep me to move forward. 😒 They have no idea what I’m going through right now! I’m slowly haring driving 😭
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Posted on: Tue, 29 May 2018 - 21:43


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Thank you PASTMYBEST 😊
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Posted on: Tue, 29 May 2018 - 20:06


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Hi PASTMYBEST are you saying i need to contact the tribunal in writing or something? I guess most people don’t challenge YBJ penalties! The council also attached other documents basically stating a list of YBJ’s including Harwood road/Effie road that we’re approved for enforcement. And a copy of the road traffic regulations act 1984 -section 64-65

Yes this box junction may fulfil the purpose of assisting the freeflow of traffic for cars going right but not for cars turning left. The exit will never be clear before you leave Effie road so traffic rules don’t apply. I’m totally confused With their argument. 😔😒😠


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Posted on: Tue, 29 May 2018 - 17:16


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Hi all just an update on my appeal against LBHF YBJ PENALTY. So I have taken the case to the London Tribunals Environment and I’m still waiting to hear the feedback. This was the summary the council sent me.
I was feeling quite deflated when I read what was written as truth be told councils hide behind laws and are given way too much power to make as much money from the very same ybj’s that tax payers paid for. Its crazy! I personally can not see how penalising someone turning left is justified. Taking my place on the road is common sense when looking at the whole road layout. Otherwise it would be one car exiting per traffic light change! Not fair at all!!!

Anyway it is out of my hands now. Let’s hope the London Tribunals will be able to see that it’s an unfair YBJ and the car infront was actually moving and not stationary.

Thank you again everyone for your help X




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Posted on: Wed, 2 May 2018 - 21:41


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Wow thank you PASTMYBEST you are the best!! A true selfless person. I’m so happy I found this forum x I’m on the case and actually looking forward to see how this pans out. I know and love the fact that when you have helped me, others have also been helped or educated just like I have. 😁
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Posted on: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 18:49


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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 16:52) *
You have until the 17th of May. you can register your appeal with London tribunals and in the box for submissions write full submissions to follow. they will then acknowledge your appeal and give you a date by when to send all evidence.
i cannot help until Sunday night/Monday at best but can meet your time limit


Thanks PASTMYBEST. I previously thought it was only 14 days I had to respond do that’s good news even though the sooner I do it the better I will feel.. I will register the appeal with the London tribunal as you say.
I am so grateful for your input so yes I can wait until you are free😊
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Posted on: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 13:32


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Hi all, so I have started to look through the NOR letter I received back from LBHF. I would like to send a letter to the adjudicators this weekend as i haven’t got long and its taking up too much head space. I need help with formatting my argument as you will see below I know how I fee but not everything I have said will help my case. Please inbox me or write on here as you feel.

They observed and recorded the vehicle moving onto and stopping on a ‘Box Junction’ without the exit lane being clear, due to stationary traffic ahead of the vehicle.

From the video that was viewed on your website the vehicle that you say was stationary was actually moving and suddenly stopped because of the traffic lights changing, that caused my car to stop as I was taking my place on the main road. I could not predict that that the car in front would stop because of changing traffic lights. The changing of the traffic lights could not be foreseen. I could not reasonably predict this when entering the junction. Stationary cars behind the YBJ to the right also gave me a false sense of “my right of way” Surely because of the layout on the main road the box junction should serve cars exiting the road right and left.

These markings are used at junctions which must be kept clear of obstruction.

I am confused to understand what I am obstructing as cars do this manoeuvre and exit side roads to turn left onto main roads every day. It is important for YBJ’s to be used at Junctions but I am very confused as to why this YBJ penalises me for doing a non-obstructive manoeuvre.

I would draw the authorities attention to their published document “ LBHF BOX JUNCTION ENFORCEMENT GUIDANCE ver. 3 2007” GUIDELINE POLICY ON ENFORCEMENT OF BOX JUNCTIONS IN LBHF.

This document states that no enforcement should occur if 25% or less of a vehicle is in contravention in a box of this size - I contend that this is the case here.

Vehicles which stop (wholly or partly) on the yellow box marking may cause inconvenience and delay to traffic and may also cause risks to pedestrians.

I can not see how taking my place in traffic on the main road has caused any inconvenience and delay to traffic. It is an actual very logical thing to do and helps to facilitates the flow of traffic through the junction.
When stopping before the box junction, I would have to wait for the lights to change, the car in front to leave and then contend with cars from the right trying to cross the box junction before the lights change again. Surely in doing this I have now caused an inconvenience and delay to cars exiting Effie road. This is not ethical as its one car per lights change!

I do not see what risk this manoeuvre would cause to pedestrians. As again vehicles have to do this everyday turning left into main roads and will especially get stuck like my vehicles if there is traffic.

I would further contend that even if the authority do not agree that the stop could not be anticipated, then they must look to the reason for enforcement. Any transgression was minimal, by the very nature of the manoeuvre no obstruction could occur, and no traffic management benefit could accrue from enforcement. The principal of De minimis should apply in this case.

Drivers must not stop on the box junction. The only exception is if they are intending to make a right hand turn. However, they can only do so if their exit road is clear and they are only prevented from turning right by oncoming traffic.

In my circumstance, I did stop on the box junction only because the moving car infront of me stopped because of traffic lights. A contravention does not occur simply because a vehicle stops in a yellow box; it only occurs when it does so due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
There is no logic of enforcement of “box junction” rules for this junction as my exit road will never be clear. There will always be a car in the space that needs to be clear because of the traffic lights system. Penalising someone turning left and having to stop on the junction because they are not knowledgeable with the layout of the road ahead is unfair.

Drivers have a responsibility to comply with all signs and marking relating to road traffic restrictions and directions. I am therefore satisfied that the PCN was correctly issued.


Yes…….perfect hiding behind the road traffic law! Genius! Who am I to have an opinion?

On this occasion only, we will allow you another opportunity to pay this PCN at the reduced amount of £65.00. I must however advise you that we are not required to do this by law.

Hmmmm Wow thank you so much for this opportunity but sadly on the principal of moral righteousness I sadly must decline. There is a sin called Greed that I hate and the fact that this junction only constitutes entrapment for cars exiting Effie road onto Harwood road upsets me! I cannot see the transport benefits of fining me for this manoeuvre.

This offer will not be re-offered for this PCN.

“Offer” ……….Wow…..tempting but no thanks! Whatever the outcome is even if I may feel robbed I will chance taking this to the adjudicator. I will still have my dignity!!!
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Posted on: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 - 11:01


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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Fri, 20 Apr 2018 - 17:23) *
The next step is the adjudicator at the full £130. You need to decide. The council is trying to buy you off at £65.


Yes I agree!!!! I will certainly take this to the adjudicators as I do not agree that a contravention has taken place here. This is totally about how much money the council can make using the box junction laws to justify issuing fines. If I didn’t make my manuver I would be stuck behind the box junction battling my way out as cars on the main road try and avoid the YBJ before the lights change again!!! I don’t know this road and so I am not knowing that there was one space before the traffic lights and Furthermore I don’t know when the traffic lights are going to change. So a £65 fine is not justified it’s unfair and criminal.

QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Fri, 20 Apr 2018 - 18:15) *
loads of time yet , bump next week and i will help you. pretty busy til then with others


Hey thanks 😃 Can you inbox me when you are ready
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Posted on: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 - 16:08


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I agree! So where do I start? Any ideas of what I need to write now or do I reiterate what I said previously helped by other members. If anyone can help like pointing me to an example letter or writing on here I will be very greatful.
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Posted on: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 - 18:16


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Hi everyone just to let you know that H&F have rejected my representation. I received the letter today. Posted up. Its very disappointing that they are fleecing money from people in this way. If I was causing an obstruction as I said previously I would not dispute in the slightest. I would like to take this further as I am not happy. They took ages to respond too!!

Thanks for all your help and advice in advance.

Greed! Greed! Greed! I'm so disappointed its an understatement !!!



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Posted on: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 22:56


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Hi all so I intend to send and use the online system to submit this representation tomorrow so they receive it way before the 14 days period. I have basically cut and paste all what you have all written as above. So thank you. I wasn't sure about writing about LBHF rules for larger YBJ's. Can I just confirm that this is all I need to say. smile.gif

Representation against PCN number xxxxxxxx
Vehicle registration mark FN*****

Your name & address

I make these representations on various grounds. The first being that the contravention (code 31) did not occur.

Upon approaching Harwood road along Effie road on reaching the give way, it is very difficult to assess the road situation. You cannot clearly see the traffic lights. A gap in the traffic seemed to present The traffic was moving and until I could pull forward I had to trust that the traffic light were on green. Unfortunately this was not the case a car in front stopped causing me to stop. I contend that this could not be anticipated and therefore the stop was not due to stationary vehicles. A requirement for the contravention to be made out.

I would further contend that even if the authority do not agree that the stop could not be anticipated, then they must look to the reason for enforcement. Any transgression was minimal, by the very nature of the manoeuvre no obstruction could occur, and no traffic management benefit could accrue from enforcement. The principal of De minimis should apply in this case.

I would draw the authorities attention to their published document “ LBHF BOX JUNCTION ENFORCEMENT GUIDANCE ver. 3 2007” GUIDELINE POLICY ON ENFORCEMENT OF BOX JUNCTIONS IN LBHF.

This document states that no enforcement should occur if 25% or less of a vehicle is in contravention in a box of this size - I contend that this is the case here.

I would also draw to the attention of the authority the last paragraph in the box on page 1 of the PCN (underneath the photos) It states that if the PCN is not paid before the end of the 28 day period then the penalty may increase by 50% to £195 and a charge certificate may be served.

This statement is incorrect. The time by when if no payment or representation has been made, that a charge certificate may be served is 28 days beginning with the date of service of the PCN. This by legal convention would be a minimum of 2 days later. Thus depriving me of time the regulations allow for making representations

The PCN does not comply with regulations, It is non compliant and cannot therefore be used to enforce a penalty

I trust that the authority will give these representations the required standard of consideration and find that cancellation if the correct action

Kind Regards
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Posted on: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 - 17:09


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Thanks John U.K I will do. smile.gif
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Posted on: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 - 22:34


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Thank you PASTMYBEST and Stamfordman,

I am so grateful for your input for my appeal. biggrin.gif I would never have known the above information. So thanks again for sharing your knowledge. Do you think it is best to write to them or use their online service?
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Posted on: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 - 16:10


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Thank you everyone. Thanks for posting up the video Stamfordman. OMG there are even buses passing this dreadful stretch of road. Can you imagine being behind a bus and not seeing that box junction. Totally wrong!!! As you said I've obviously gone forward to take my place in the ever flowing traffic. I simply see it that a box junction has no place so near to a traffic lights system with one lane moving traffic made worst because of a massive hole (maybe water works) on the broadway. Cars turning on to the main road are not causing obstructions...it's the box junction and the traffic lights system. Great way to cash in Hammersmith and Fulham, but not my money! Appeal...indeed I will!


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Posted on: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 - 17:46


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Thank you everyone for your contribution. I will post up the whole of the front.

Stamfordman you say there are two lanes but I was sure there is one. When I have looked at google maps again it shows room for one car on the main road before the box junction and there after.
Maybe we have a problem here. Why is it made so difficult for cars to exit this road. It is already made difficult for the people on the main road stopping either behind or infront of the junction when the traffics lights change, so why peanalise someone exiting a side road (albeit with the same £65 fine) So I'm not allowed to exit when the cars are stationary behind the box junction. I have to wait when the lights change and battle my way out as the cars from the right come towards me and the one car infront exits:the spot that everyone wants to get to before the lights go red again!.(don't enter a box junction unless your exit is clear) Crazy because the one lane traffic means my exit will never be clear! So this contradicts that rule. There will always be a car in the space that should be clear before I do my maneuver.
Surely the road markings and design of the box junction is wrong with the fact that it is so near a traffic lights system. It is not until you made this slight turn to realise you can not move forward. The box junction gives you false sense of right of way and that is not right!!!
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Posted on: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 23:54


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Thanks stamfordman. My logic was seeing a car stop at the box junction to the right surely so my exit is clear for me. I wasnt blocking anyone I was just turning onto a road.
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Posted on: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 23:26


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New image up!
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Posted on: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 22:58


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Thanks I done it. I am the blue car smile.gif
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Posted on: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 22:48


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Hi all after a long day at work I came home to a lovely PCN for entering a Box Junction ohmy.gif Please can someone tell me if I can appeal this ticket. I have enclosed a picture for you to see. I am not familiar with these roads and my understanding of box junctions is one of confusion.
I was turning onto this road and I can see I am in the box junction sad.gif I thought I was allowed to do this. If I am wrong trust me £65 down I have learnt my lesson. What I don't understand is why I would be peanalised for turning into a road surely the box junction is there to stop cars on the road blocking my exit. What fault am i committing? Please if someone can explain as I can see many people have been caught up in this terrible money box huh.gif

The More I look at this, the more it frustrates me. Points below

1) What is the purpose of this box junctions ?
2) Why is there a box junction here so close to traffic lights with room for 1 car only?
3) When turning left onto the road if I enter the box junction. Why is this a contravention? What am i obstructing?
4) Is it me or is it humanaly normal to believe you have right of way if traffic to your right has to stop behind a box junction?
5) By turning (Slightly) onto this road (i must stress for the first time in my life) why would I not turn left? The box junction placed there has informed me that my exit is clear..... cars have stopped on the right for my exit??
6) Surely this box has no place here! room for 1 car at traffic lights, so traffic lights change and car infront stops....you are hit with a fine....seriously.....but there is only room for 1 car...really! How does that work!!!! How is that legal?
7) What is the difference of being stationary where I was or behind the box junction? What obstruction am I causing?
8) Ok its 1.32am and yes I am up still stressing and ****** off! Thanks H&F for giving me stress! I should be sleeping right now! Seven deadly sins of life......GREED TOPS THEM ALL!!!! £65......a designer top made in a sweat shop is criminal at that cost but this is really taking the biscuit! At least I can wear the top! Rant over!!!!







sorry about image quality. I don't have a great camera!
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