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Helpme2
post Sun, 23 Jul 2017 - 13:29
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What's people's advice on this fine I have had? My plate is mentioned in the letter but not in the picture, my wheel is ever so slightly on the box,
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post Wed, 4 Oct 2017 - 05:42
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Is there a time limit to which they can send the ofr as it's been 21days?
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post Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 20:58
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Still no OFR? Is there a time limit for them to serve it?
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post Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 21:53
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QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 21:58) *
Still no OFR? Is there a time limit for them to serve it?


No might be worth giving them a call now. Ask only Have they issued the OfR? if so when? if not when will they?
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 07:40
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OP, as we've got some time can we look at your reps which we've yet to see, and the response email. As regards the reps, we don't need a summary, this is not a document: you should post the reps themselves.

At present we're taking it on trust that your email was sent to the specified address in the correct format.

TfL's letter states that they did not receive reps within the 28-day period, so their cards are clear*: we just need to see your hand.

*Edit... just re-read their letter. Isn't it b******s. On the one hand they claim that reps were not made, which then forms the legal basis for serving the CC, and then they launch into a paragraph about one of 4 reasons applying.. and as far as I know under the legislation there are only 3! (perhaps it's been amended?). They're eejits and robots to boot.

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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 09:55
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 22:53) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Wed, 11 Oct 2017 - 21:58) *
Still no OFR? Is there a time limit for them to serve it?


No might be worth giving them a call now. Ask only Have they issued the OfR? if so when? if not when will they?


Trouble is PMB I cannot find a number to call anywhere, there's no numbers on the letters sent nor can I find one on the net
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 10:38
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QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 10:55) *
Trouble is PMB I cannot find a number to call anywhere, there's no numbers on the letters sent nor can I find one on the net

020 8496 3000


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17/10/11.

Sme f yu may have nticed I dn't currently have a letter ' ' n my keybard!!!!

S if I appear t be talking mre gibberish than nrmal then that's the answer - the missing 'o' --<<<< Aha, clever eh!? (reserve on-screen keyboard)
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 13:07
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 11:38) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 10:55) *
Trouble is PMB I cannot find a number to call anywhere, there's no numbers on the letters sent nor can I find one on the net

020 8496 3000


Thanks neilb I've tried that one before but you cannot talk to anybody about the cases. I have just emailed them asking for an update on my case and if they are issuing an OFR and when.
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 13:33
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What was the date of Charge Cert ?


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17/10/11.

Sme f yu may have nticed I dn't currently have a letter ' ' n my keybard!!!!

S if I appear t be talking mre gibberish than nrmal then that's the answer - the missing 'o' --<<<< Aha, clever eh!? (reserve on-screen keyboard)
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 13:51
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 14:33) *
What was the date of Charge Cert ?


28/08/17
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 14:04
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And your reps exactly and the email, including the address to which it was sent??
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 14:09
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QUOTE (hcandersen @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 15:04) *
And your reps exactly and the email, including the address to which it was sent??

Sorry what do you mean hcandersen?
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 15:14
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We need to see the exact reps you sent and the email address to which they were sent.

This is the basis of your defence and yet we've not seen this evidence, all we've had is your assurances that these were compiled and sent as required and a summary of their contents. These would be front and centre of your evidence at adjudication, so pl post them here. There's no reason why they should not be compliant and I'm not suggesting otherwise, but you could be stripped bare at adjudication if they were not.

This is part of the evidence trail which starts with the NTO instructing the owner how to submit reps and what these must contain.
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 15:38
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This was my rep I had my full name and address on it but have removed, was sent to wfpcn@nsl.co.uk

Representation fr22523811
Sk51fpf

Entered junction 19.24.26, traffic slowed to a crawl, I continued to creep foward until I stopped at 19.24.44 on the outer edge line of the box, at 19.24.47(3seconds) I continued to creep foward out of the box, This can be seen on video.i feel that for the for the small time I was stationary and the lack of incursion and obstruction I had on the workings of the box junction I feel that On the grounds of common law defence of deminimis Non curat lex can be claimed and and that I have a fair case for any fine to be cancelled.
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 15:48
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QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:38) *
This was my rep I had my full name and address on it but have removed, was sent to wfpcn@nsl.co.uk

Representation fr22523811
Sk51fpf

Entered junction 19.24.26, traffic slowed to a crawl, I continued to creep foward until I stopped at 19.24.44 on the outer edge line of the box, at 19.24.47(3seconds) I continued to creep foward out of the box, This can be seen on video.i feel that for the for the small time I was stationary and the lack of incursion and obstruction I had on the workings of the box junction I feel that On the grounds of common law defence of deminimis Non curat lex can be claimed and and that I have a fair case for any fine to be cancelled.


All looks in order. Do you have an e mail acknowledgement of receipt ?
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 15:51
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:48) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:38) *
This was my rep I had my full name and address on it but have removed, was sent to wfpcn@nsl.co.uk

Representation fr22523811
Sk51fpf

Entered junction 19.24.26, traffic slowed to a crawl, I continued to creep foward until I stopped at 19.24.44 on the outer edge line of the box, at 19.24.47(3seconds) I continued to creep foward out of the box, This can be seen on video.i feel that for the for the small time I was stationary and the lack of incursion and obstruction I had on the workings of the box junction I feel that On the grounds of common law defence of deminimis Non curat lex can be claimed and and that I have a fair case for any fine to be cancelled.


All looks in order. Do you have an e mail acknowledgement of receipt ?

It dissapeared off my phone but have it on computer.
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 15:57
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QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:51) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:48) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:38) *
This was my rep I had my full name and address on it but have removed, was sent to wfpcn@nsl.co.uk

Representation fr22523811
Sk51fpf

Entered junction 19.24.26, traffic slowed to a crawl, I continued to creep foward until I stopped at 19.24.44 on the outer edge line of the box, at 19.24.47(3seconds) I continued to creep foward out of the box, This can be seen on video.i feel that for the for the small time I was stationary and the lack of incursion and obstruction I had on the workings of the box junction I feel that On the grounds of common law defence of deminimis Non curat lex can be claimed and and that I have a fair case for any fine to be cancelled.


All looks in order. Do you have an e mail acknowledgement of receipt ?

It dissapeared off my phone but have it on computer.


Don't lose it. I suggest a screenshot
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:06
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:57) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:51) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:48) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:38) *
This was my rep I had my full name and address on it but have removed, was sent to wfpcn@nsl.co.uk

Representation fr22523811
Sk51fpf

Entered junction 19.24.26, traffic slowed to a crawl, I continued to creep foward until I stopped at 19.24.44 on the outer edge line of the box, at 19.24.47(3seconds) I continued to creep foward out of the box, This can be seen on video.i feel that for the for the small time I was stationary and the lack of incursion and obstruction I had on the workings of the box junction I feel that On the grounds of common law defence of deminimis Non curat lex can be claimed and and that I have a fair case for any fine to be cancelled.


All looks in order. Do you have an e mail acknowledgement of receipt ?

It dissapeared off my phone but have it on computer.


Don't lose it. I suggest a screenshot


Will do after work
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post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 18:46
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QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 17:06) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:57) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:51) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:48) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:38) *
This was my rep I had my full name and address on it but have removed, was sent to wfpcn@nsl.co.uk

Representation fr22523811
Sk51fpf

Entered junction 19.24.26, traffic slowed to a crawl, I continued to creep foward until I stopped at 19.24.44 on the outer edge line of the box, at 19.24.47(3seconds) I continued to creep foward out of the box, This can be seen on video.i feel that for the for the small time I was stationary and the lack of incursion and obstruction I had on the workings of the box junction I feel that On the grounds of common law defence of deminimis Non curat lex can be claimed and and that I have a fair case for any fine to be cancelled.


All looks in order. Do you have an e mail acknowledgement of receipt ?

It dissapeared off my phone but have it on computer.


Don't lose it. I suggest a screenshot


Will do after work

VERY important cos that will mean you pay nothing.


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17/10/11.

Sme f yu may have nticed I dn't currently have a letter ' ' n my keybard!!!!

S if I appear t be talking mre gibberish than nrmal then that's the answer - the missing 'o' --<<<< Aha, clever eh!? (reserve on-screen keyboard)
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Helpme2
post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 20:44
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 19:46) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 17:06) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:57) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:51) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:48) *
QUOTE (Helpme2 @ Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 16:38) *
This was my rep I had my full name and address on it but have removed, was sent to wfpcn@nsl.co.uk

Representation fr22523811
Sk51fpf

Entered junction 19.24.26, traffic slowed to a crawl, I continued to creep foward until I stopped at 19.24.44 on the outer edge line of the box, at 19.24.47(3seconds) I continued to creep foward out of the box, This can be seen on video.i feel that for the for the small time I was stationary and the lack of incursion and obstruction I had on the workings of the box junction I feel that On the grounds of common law defence of deminimis Non curat lex can be claimed and and that I have a fair case for any fine to be cancelled.


All looks in order. Do you have an e mail acknowledgement of receipt ?

It dissapeared off my phone but have it on computer.


Don't lose it. I suggest a screenshot


Will do after work

VERY important cos that will mean you pay nothing.

I've done it!!! Screen shot, re saved and printed!
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Neil B
post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 22:09
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Ok.
So now, if you want, you can further check where the OfR is or, rather,
if one is on the way.

The OfR is issued when, or shortly after, the debt is 'registered' with the Court (TEC).

You simply phone TEC and quote the PCN number.
If they don't recognise it the debt is not yet registered and no OfR issued yet.
If it has been, ask when.

01604 619450 0300 123 1059


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17/10/11.

Sme f yu may have nticed I dn't currently have a letter ' ' n my keybard!!!!

S if I appear t be talking mre gibberish than nrmal then that's the answer - the missing 'o' --<<<< Aha, clever eh!? (reserve on-screen keyboard)
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