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Yellow Box PCN - Original PCN not received (Wandsworth)
The Grand Ranch
post Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 16:23
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Hi Everyone, I received a Charge Certificate back in June for a PCN issued in May which I did not receive in the post.

Following advice on this forum, I waited until I received the letter from the debt collectors (Alpha) which stated that they would be passing the debt to Northampton CC. This letter arrived mid July and I've not heard anything further since.

I'm not in dispute over the original offence, I just didn't want to pay £195! However, I'm now a little concerned that I've not heard anything further and I don't really want this bill racking up in the background if they failed to send me the Order of Recovery.

Any advice or is this normal?

many thanks.
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post Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 11:13
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Grounds:
e)that the penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case.

The circumstances in this case are:
An alleged contravention dated 9 May 2018;
A PCN which the authority claim was issued on **** but which was not received by the appellant;
A charge certificate issued *** which the appellant received;
Instead of an Order for Recovery the appellant received an extra-procedural letter from a firm of enforcement agents acting on behalf of the authority but with lawful authority as regards pursuing the penalty;
An Order for Recovery issued ****
The appellant's statutory declaration dated ****;
TEC's confirmation letter dated ***(OP, you've left this out, why??);
A fresh PCN dated 14 June 2019, received 15 June;
A time gap of 13 months and 1 week between the alleged contravention and service of the PCN.
A time gap of


OP, before I go on, pl fill in the gaps.
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- The Grand Ranch   Yellow Box PCN - Original PCN not received (Wandsworth)   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 16:23
- - PASTMYBEST   Sounds like your apathy has left you up sh1t creek...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 17:42
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 18...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 18:10
- - stamfordman   Is the name and address correct on the charge cert...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 18:13
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 1...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 18:23
|- - Neil B   Just a point of order. QUOTE (The Grand Ranch ...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 20:50
- - stamfordman   Actually this looks disgraceful to me - the enforc...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 18:32
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 1...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 18:53
- - PASTMYBEST   So first thing Monday phone TEC on this number tel...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 19:05
- - stamfordman   Councils can't go down the CCJ route for PCNs ...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 19:05
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 2...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 19:15
- - stamfordman   No you're not wrong but you need to check if i...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 19:16
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 2...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 19:25
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 20...   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 - 20:02
- - The Grand Ranch   UPDATE: Called the TEC number today, they told me ...   Mon, 8 Oct 2018 - 18:53
- - Neil B   Just check with TEC every 12-15 days or so; no lon...   Mon, 8 Oct 2018 - 19:10
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (Neil B @ Mon, 8 Oct 2018 - 20...   Mon, 8 Oct 2018 - 20:04
- - The Grand Ranch   Update: Spoke with the TEC again this morning. It...   Mon, 3 Dec 2018 - 11:56
- - The Grand Ranch   Received the order of recovery today along with th...   Fri, 17 May 2019 - 18:36
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (The Grand Ranch @ Fri, 17 May 2019 ...   Fri, 17 May 2019 - 18:41
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Fri, 17 May 2019 - 1...   Sat, 18 May 2019 - 20:49
- - The Grand Ranch   Regarding the stat declaration; do you need to fil...   Wed, 22 May 2019 - 21:15
- - Incandescent   As this is an "in-time" declaration, you...   Wed, 22 May 2019 - 21:42
- - The Grand Ranch   Finally got the original ticket reset - 13 months ...   Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 19:07
- - Incandescent   If there are no positive appeal points that an adj...   Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 20:25
- - Neil B   Need video and rest of the pcn.   Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 20:27
- - stamfordman   well the delay and mess by the council should win ...   Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 20:28
- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (Incandescent @ Sat, 15 Jun 2019 ...   Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 21:01
|- - Neil B   QUOTE (The Grand Ranch @ Sat, 15 Jun 2019 ...   Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 21:08
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 22...   Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 21:14
|- - Neil B   QUOTE (The Grand Ranch @ Sat, 15 Jun 2019 ...   Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 21:49
- - stamfordman   video should be on council site. If you can't ...   Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 21:26
- - hcandersen   Grounds: e)that the penalty charge exceeded the am...   Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 11:13
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (hcandersen @ Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 1...   Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 11:46
|- - Neil B   QUOTE (The Grand Ranch @ Sun, 16 Jun 2019 ...   Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 11:59
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (Neil B @ Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 12...   Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 19:50
- - PASTMYBEST   Answer the questions posed by HCA then have a read...   Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 11:28
- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 15 Jun 2019 - 22...   Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 11:33
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (The Grand Ranch @ Sun, 16 Jun 2019 ...   Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 11:35
- - Neil B   The statement of p1 'If the PCN do not pay ---...   Sun, 16 Jun 2019 - 20:39
- - cp8759   An adjudicator could say that, taking the PCN as a...   Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - 10:04
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - 11...   Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - 10:14
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - 1...   Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - 20:57
- - hcandersen   Grounds: e)that the penalty charge exceeded the am...   Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - 10:30
- - stamfordman   The video doesn't help, to put it mildly. htt...   Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - 21:11
|- - The Grand Ranch   QUOTE (stamfordman @ Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - ...   Mon, 17 Jun 2019 - 21:22
- - cp8759   The video link doesn't work?   Tue, 18 Jun 2019 - 12:48


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