Luton red route - not an enforceable civil contravention |
Luton red route - not an enforceable civil contravention |
Wed, 16 Nov 2022 - 21:30
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Wed, 16 Nov 2022 - 21:30
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Sun, 22 Jan 2023 - 16:11
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Contrary to what's said in this decision, outside London, "stopping" in hackney carriage stands is also not enforceable. This is because section 64(3) of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 prohibits waiting not stopping.
QUOTE 64 Prohibition of other vehicles on hackney carriage stands. (1)No person shall cause or permit any vehicle other than a hackney carriage to wait on any stand for hackney carriages during any period for which that stand has been appointed, or is deemed to have been appointed, by a district council under the provisions of section 63 of this Act. (2)Notice of the prohibition in this section shall be indicated by such traffic signs as may be prescribed or authorised for the purpose by the Secretary of State in pursuance of his powers under [F1section 64 of the M1Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984]. (3)If any person without reasonable excuse contravenes the provisions of this section, he shall be guilty of an offence. Therefore Schedule 7 TMA 2004 is wrong to claim s.64(3) creates a stopping offence. QUOTE 4(1)Outside Greater London there is a parking contravention in relation to a vehicle if it is stationary in circumstances in which any of the offences listed below is committed. (2)The offences are— (a)an offence under section 64(3) of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 (c. 57) of causing a vehicle to stop on part of a road appointed, or deemed to have been appointed, as a hackney carriage stand; Truth is, outside London, any code 45 Stopped on a taxi rank PCN cannot be enforced under the TMA 2004. Even to use a sign conveying "no stopping" may be ultra vires. |
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Mon, 23 Jan 2023 - 16:32
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Well that's a bit more debatable: the TMA is an Act of Parliament and no Act of Parliament can be "wrong". A local authority could certainly argue that the TMA 2004 implicitly amends the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 to create a stopping restriction. I'm not saying they would succeed, just that there is an arguable case.
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Mon, 23 Jan 2023 - 20:27
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,963 Joined: 19 Dec 2006 From: Near Calais Member No.: 9,683 |
All of which makes me ask the question "what IS the difference between waiting and stopping"?
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Mon, 23 Jan 2023 - 23:25
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All of which makes me ask the question "what IS the difference between waiting and stopping"? It depends. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 24 Jan 2023 - 16:36
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Well that's a bit more debatable: the TMA is an Act of Parliament and no Act of Parliament can be "wrong". A local authority could certainly argue that the TMA 2004 implicitly amends the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 to create a stopping restriction. I'm not saying they would succeed, just that there is an arguable case. Possibly. I doubt the council appeal staff have knowledge like yours to come up with the argument. When we next get a outside London taxi rank no stopping PCN we can put the above points to them and see how it goes. No doubt it will go over their heads but an adjudicator will hopefully get it. |
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Tue, 24 Jan 2023 - 17:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Possibly. I doubt the council appeal staff have knowledge like yours to come up with the argument. When we next get a outside London taxi rank no stopping PCN we can put the above points to them and see how it goes. No doubt it will go over their heads but an adjudicator will hopefully get it. It might take a while and I'll probably forget, but I'm sure you'll remind me and we can see how it goes -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 30 Jan 2023 - 11:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,196 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
QUOTE (a)an offence under section 64(3) of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 (c. 57) of causing a vehicle to stop on part of a road appointed, or deemed to have been appointed, as a hackney carriage stand; Truth is, outside London, any code 45 Stopped on a taxi rank PCN cannot be enforced under the TMA 2004. Even to use a sign conveying "no stopping" may be ultra vires. However the LGA says 'wait'. QUOTE (1)No person shall cause or permit any vehicle other than a hackney carriage to wait on any stand for hackney carriages during any period for which that stand has been appointed https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1976/57/section/64 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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