Beckham & Freeman, Popcorn time? |
Beckham & Freeman, Popcorn time? |
Tue, 4 Sep 2018 - 20:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 189 Joined: 22 Mar 2006 From: Mansfield Member No.: 5,071 |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/articl...chnicality.html
... Is he just taking Beckham's money, I wonder?? Peterguk any thoughts?? This post has been edited by little-freddie: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 - 20:54 |
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Tue, 4 Sep 2018 - 20:34
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Sat, 8 Sep 2018 - 09:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,723 Joined: 3 Apr 2006 From: North Hampshire Member No.: 5,183 |
It is. Level 5 fines are unlimited, but simple speeding offences are either Level 3 (non-motorway - £1000 max) or Level 4 (motorway - £2500 max). Failure to provide is also Level 3. Looks like they realised this after the event, fines reduced to £2301 apparently. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...t-a8527821.html |
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Sat, 8 Sep 2018 - 09:38
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It is. Level 5 fines are unlimited, but simple speeding offences are either Level 3 (non-motorway - £1000 max) or Level 4 (motorway - £2500 max). Failure to provide is also Level 3. Looks like they realised this after the event, fines reduced to £2301 apparently. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...t-a8527821.html That kind of begs the question as to what they fined him for originally. If speeding and fail to provide are both level 3 it wouldn't make any difference to the fine? -------------------- If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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Sat, 8 Sep 2018 - 09:56
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It is. Level 5 fines are unlimited, but simple speeding offences are either Level 3 (non-motorway - £1000 max) or Level 4 (motorway - £2500 max). Failure to provide is also Level 3. Looks like they realised this after the event, fines reduced to £2301 apparently. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...t-a8527821.html That kind of begs the question as to what they fined him for originally. If speeding and fail to provide are both level 3 it wouldn't make any difference to the fine? According to someone on another forum who is possibly in a position to know, the legal adviser wrongly thought that speeding was level 5 (ie unlimited) rather than level 3. So he made two errors for the price of one. This is apparently too complicated for the newspapers to understand - hence the somewhat garbled reporting. |
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Sat, 8 Sep 2018 - 17:29
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The fact that it's a DJ presiding rather than the usual magistrate is not, IMO, a coincidence either. It certainly is no coincidence. It's common practice for matters involving "celebrities" and "important people" to be listed before a DJ. As well as that, the chances of encountering a DJ in London are greater than doing so elsewhere anyway. |
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Sat, 8 Sep 2018 - 20:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Given the hash a Recorder made of the Fenton Martin case I think I’d rather rely on three magistrates and a legal advisor!
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Sat, 8 Sep 2018 - 23:28
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Given the hash a Recorder made of the Fenton Martin case I think I’d rather rely on three magistrates and a legal advisor! I wouldn’t. -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Sun, 9 Sep 2018 - 08:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
It was tongue in cheek, but I presume you’ve amused yourself with the Fenton Martin case?
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sun, 9 Sep 2018 - 12:55
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It was tongue in cheek, but I presume you’ve amused yourself with the Fenton Martin case?
http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?d.../2007/3193.html |
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Sun, 9 Sep 2018 - 15:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
For an added frisson of exceptment, the now infamous Constance Briscoe was once a recorder in Harrow CC, now it’s not clear if it’s the same Recorder Briscoe but the odds are pretty good in which case one wonders how someone so clearly incompetent managed to make it to the lofty levels she did (before she binned it all of course, in, erm, a display of gross incompetence!).
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sun, 9 Sep 2018 - 19:23
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I would guess that the (1) car is loaned/leased to Beckham's company and that (2) (as a security measure) correspondence goes to a PO Box to be collected by an (3) Employee who then opens it. That's 3 rather big assumptions! True, that's why I put "guess". Lot's of celebrities make themselves into Limited Companies for Tax purposes (back in the day, Steve "interesting" Davies was Steve Davies Promotions Ltd). Given Beckham's high profile, he'll take personal security very seriously, and it's very easy to get ex Royal Mail vehicles and re-apply logo's. |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 07:59
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Not the case here.
I am a director of the holding company of the Bentley brand. We made the vehicle available to the alleged driver as a marketing goodwill exercise. The NIP came back to Bentley and it was apparently stamped with the date of receipt into the postroom, as all incoming mail is. The mail is stamped without inspecting the contents and is then forwarded to the relevant section. |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 08:07
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Not the case here. I am a director of the holding company of the Bentley brand. We made the vehicle available to the alleged driver as a marketing goodwill exercise. The NIP came back to Bentley and it was apparently stamped with the date of receipt into the postroom, as all incoming mail is. The mail is stamped without inspecting the contents and is then forwarded to the relevant section. So just a stroke of luck DB's NIP was held up in the post for 5 days for no apparent reason.... -------------------- |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 08:22
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Not the case here. I am a director of the holding company of the Bentley brand. We made the vehicle available to the alleged driver as a marketing goodwill exercise. The NIP came back to Bentley and it was apparently stamped with the date of receipt into the postroom, as all incoming mail is. The mail is stamped without inspecting the contents and is then forwarded to the relevant section. So just a stroke of luck DB's NIP was held up in the post for 5 days for no apparent reason.... Ridiculous comment. There is a reason for everything. Just because the reason hasn't been made available to you doesn't justify an implication that there is an apparent reason. All I am saying to you is that all post received into Bentley's postroom is normally stamped with date of receipt there. I know of no reason why this letter could or would have been treated any differently. |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 09:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
Not the case here. I am a director of the holding company of the Bentley brand. We made the vehicle available to the alleged driver as a marketing goodwill exercise. The NIP came back to Bentley and it was apparently stamped with the date of receipt into the postroom, as all incoming mail is. The mail is stamped without inspecting the contents and is then forwarded to the relevant section. So just a stroke of luck DB's NIP was held up in the post for 5 days for no apparent reason.... Ridiculous comment. There is a reason for everything. Just because the reason hasn't been made available to you doesn't justify an implication that there is an apparent reason. All I am saying to you is that all post received into Bentley's postroom is normally stamped with date of receipt there. I know of no reason why this letter could or would have been treated any differently. Rephrased for you: So just a stroke of luck DB's NIP was held up in the post for 5 days.... -------------------- |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 10:08
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Not the case here. I am a director of the holding company of the Bentley brand. We made the vehicle available to the alleged driver as a marketing goodwill exercise. The NIP came back to Bentley and it was apparently stamped with the date of receipt into the postroom, as all incoming mail is. The mail is stamped without inspecting the contents and is then forwarded to the relevant section. So just a stroke of luck DB's NIP was held up in the post for 5 days for no apparent reason.... Ridiculous comment. There is a reason for everything. Just because the reason hasn't been made available to you doesn't justify an implication that there is an apparent reason. All I am saying to you is that all post received into Bentley's postroom is normally stamped with date of receipt there. I know of no reason why this letter could or would have been treated any differently. Rephrased for you: So just a stroke of luck DB's NIP was held up in the post for 5 days.... Still ridiculous. How do you know it was held up in the post? How do you know who, when and how it was posted? Our post room staff meticulously stamp received mail. They know when they say it was received there and are an experienced, honest team. They may have known it was an NIP (which incidentally, bears no postmark) or they may not. It was an item of mail, received, stamped with date of receipt and then forwarded to the correct section after opening it to see what it was. The post room staff would have no indication as to who the driver was. That would be deduced later, by the relevant team in the appropriate section. It was not DB's NIP, but ***'s NIP asking for us to name the driver at the relevant time. I don't know what happened at the end of my post I wrote "***'s NIP" which the swear filter might be seeing as a reference to female genitalia. I meant Volkswagen Audi Group's NIP. |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 10:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,503 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
We had a similar case on here a while back. Where a central post room stamped and distributed company mail.
I can't remember how it panned out but the Force should be able to 'prove' when the NIP entered the mail system and the defendant would have to rebut the presumption of delivery - assuming it was posted in good time. Whether the post room process procedure is sufficient to prove a 'late' delivery is key. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 12:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,178 Joined: 1 Jan 2013 From: Glasgow Member No.: 59,097 |
Not the case here. I am a director of the holding company of the Bentley brand. We made the vehicle available to the alleged driver as a marketing goodwill exercise. The NIP came back to Bentley and it was apparently stamped with the date of receipt into the postroom, as all incoming mail is. The mail is stamped without inspecting the contents and is then forwarded to the relevant section. So just a stroke of luck DB's NIP was held up in the post for 5 days for no apparent reason.... Ridiculous comment. There is a reason for everything. Just because the reason hasn't been made available to you doesn't justify an implication that there is an apparent reason. All I am saying to you is that all post received into Bentley's postroom is normally stamped with date of receipt there. I know of no reason why this letter could or would have been treated any differently. Rephrased for you: So just a stroke of luck DB's NIP was held up in the post for 5 days.... Still ridiculous. How do you know it was held up in the post? How do you know who, when and how it was posted? Our post room staff meticulously stamp received mail. They know when they say it was received there and are an experienced, honest team. They may have known it was an NIP (which incidentally, bears no postmark) or they may not. It was an item of mail, received, stamped with date of receipt and then forwarded to the correct section after opening it to see what it was. The post room staff would have no indication as to who the driver was. That would be deduced later, by the relevant team in the appropriate section. It was not DB's NIP, but ***'s NIP asking for us to name the driver at the relevant time. I don't know what happened at the end of my post I wrote "***'s NIP" which the swear filter might be seeing as a reference to female genitalia. I meant Volkswagen Audi Group's NIP. Just out of interest - what gets stamped,the envelope,all the contents or everything? |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 13:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 398 Joined: 15 Apr 2013 Member No.: 61,183 |
Just the envelope.
I'm sure Mr. Freeman will interview our postroom staff to ensure there's been no skullduggery. There won't have been. The Group lends lots of vehicles out to the press, the hoi-poloi and many garages as demonstrators. I mean the following brands: VW, Audi, Skoda, Seat, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, MAN, Ducati, Scania Vabis, and several others. There's great rigour in the team there. |
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Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 00:45
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Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 09:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
I'm sure Mr. Freeman will interview our postroom staff I'm guessing the court will want to hear from them directly as well! -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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