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Decado
post Sun, 17 Mar 2013 - 15:57
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Hi

Hope someone here can give me some advice. I have had a look through the topics and see the name of Armtrac coming up regularly.

I parked in a car park in Falmouth yesterday and put in £2.20 (for two hours) into the ticket machine, took the ticket and placed it on the dash board. Came back 1.5 hours later to find a Parking Charge Notice on the windscreen. We were puzzled as we had paid for two hours. However, looking at the ticket the fee is shown as £2 and the expiry time 30 minutes before we got back to the car. It would appear that the 20p was not accepted by the ticket machine or it is faulty.

Having done some research on KBT Cornwall Ltd trading as Armtrac Security Services it would appear that the best advice is to ignore them. is this still the case?

The ticket that has been issued is really poorly hand written and I can't work out which car park I was supposed to be in as it is unreadable.

Any advice gratefully accepted.

Regards

Paul
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bama
post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 07:19
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seconded. very interesting to see the algorithm.


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Which facts in any situation or problem are “essential” and what makes them “essential”? If the “essential” facts are said to depend on the principles involved, then the whole business, all too obviously, goes right around in a circle. In the light of one principle or set of principles, one bunch of facts will be the “essential” ones; in the light of another principle or set of principles, a different bunch of facts will be “essential.” In order to settle on the right facts you first have to pick your principles, although the whole point of finding the facts was to indicate which principles apply.

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- Decado   Armtrac Security Services!   Sun, 17 Mar 2013 - 15:57
- - Gan   The usual advice is moving toward challenging a ti...   Sun, 17 Mar 2013 - 16:09
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Gan @ Sun, 17 Mar 2013 - 16:0...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 09:56
- - ManxRed   Post the letter up here before you send it, we...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 10:00
|- - Decado   QUOTE (ManxRed @ Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 10...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 11:45
- - Salmosalaris   First thing to study is the PCN . Is it schedule 4...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 10:17
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Salmosalaris @ Mon, 18 Mar 2013 ...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 10:28
- - kommando   QUOTE How do I find out if it is Schedule 4 compli...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 10:30
|- - Decado   QUOTE (kommando @ Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 10...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 14:38
- - Salmosalaris   Id like to see PCN before passing comment   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 12:01
- - Gan   I wouldn't send anything until they've was...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 12:26
- - Salmosalaris   +1   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 12:32
- - Gan   Hiding a model and registration number but leaving...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 15:00
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Decado @ Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 15...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 15:25
- - Ming Rider   OP, you're right. That is appalling hand writi...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 15:31
- - Glacier2   These are the same crowd that issued notices under...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 15:46
|- - bama   QUOTE (Glacier2 @ Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 15...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 18:17
- - Salmosalaris   I wouldnt rely purely on bad handwriting to make i...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 16:00
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Salmosalaris @ Mon, 18 Mar 2013 ...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 16:15
- - Jlc   As the machine gobbled the 20p there is no loss. ...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 16:42
- - Decado   It would be interesting to see the contract that A...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 17:08
- - Jlc   ...well without the necessary rights how can they ...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 17:24
- - essexdriver   Can't find their planning application on line ...   Mon, 18 Mar 2013 - 18:31
- - Decado   Does Armtrac/KBT issue court orders on a regular b...   Tue, 19 Mar 2013 - 08:45
- - Gan   Vaguely recall reading that they have been to cour...   Tue, 19 Mar 2013 - 09:31
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Gan @ Tue, 19 Mar 2013 - 09:3...   Tue, 19 Mar 2013 - 09:34
- - Decado   Okay, I sent a letter re Gan's advice (but wit...   Tue, 9 Apr 2013 - 18:54
- - SchoolRunMum   Defence? It's attack not defence that you nee...   Tue, 9 Apr 2013 - 22:26
- - Vinesh Patel   POPLA is definitely the right next step. PPC's...   Tue, 9 Apr 2013 - 23:46
- - Decado   I don't know if it is relevant but one of the ...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 07:57
|- - nigelbb   QUOTE (Decado @ Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 08...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 08:35
- - ManxRed   Lovely. One for the DVLA. Anyone got the most up t...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 09:11
|- - nigelbb   QUOTE (ManxRed @ Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 10...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 09:39
- - ManxRed   @ Decado: Please send an email to the DVLA, with ...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 10:12
- - Decado   Here is the offending sign with the reference to ...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 13:30
|- - Jlc   QUOTE (Decado @ Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 14...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 14:14
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 15:1...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 14:37
- - Decado   And the letter that came with it.   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 13:54
- - Salmosalaris   What's an especially adapted vehicle ?? Don...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 13:54
- - SchoolRunMum   So as well as sending a copy of that sign with the...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 14:10
- - swellchaser   Subject to a check later. That letter is word 4 wo...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 14:12
- - Jlc   As the ticket shows £2 paid (along with the expla...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 14:49
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 15:4...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 14:52
|- - Jlc   QUOTE (Decado @ Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 15...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 16:14
- - minotaur   Another, but minor, point - "The vehicle was...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 15:38
- - bama   A copy of that letter should go to TS ! refe...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 17:01
|- - Decado   QUOTE (bama @ Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 18...   Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 17:08
- - Decado   From what I have read on this forum (and apologies...   Thu, 11 Apr 2013 - 08:16
|- - Jlc   QUOTE (Decado @ Thu, 11 Apr 2013 - 09...   Thu, 11 Apr 2013 - 08:30
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Jlc @ Thu, 11 Apr 2013 - 09:3...   Thu, 11 Apr 2013 - 08:38
- - SchoolRunMum   Just trying to show you sort of long challenge I t...   Thu, 11 Apr 2013 - 12:04
|- - Decado   QUOTE (SchoolRunMum @ Thu, 11 Apr 2013 ...   Fri, 12 Apr 2013 - 08:25
|- - Jlc   QUOTE (Decado @ Fri, 12 Apr 2013 - 09...   Fri, 12 Apr 2013 - 08:40
- - Decado   Re-sent details of the incorrect signage to the DV...   Fri, 12 Apr 2013 - 16:17
- - SchoolRunMum   It's FOI@dvla.gsi.gov.uk so re-send it. And y...   Sat, 13 Apr 2013 - 01:11
|- - Decado   QUOTE (SchoolRunMum @ Sat, 13 Apr 2013 ...   Sat, 13 Apr 2013 - 12:26
|- - Decado   QUOTE (SchoolRunMum @ Sat, 13 Apr 2013 ...   Mon, 15 Apr 2013 - 17:17
- - Decado   Below is a draft of the letter I intend to send to...   Sun, 14 Apr 2013 - 15:53
- - hoohoo   It's fine to ask them for these things, but yo...   Sun, 14 Apr 2013 - 16:22
|- - Decado   QUOTE (hoohoo @ Sun, 14 Apr 2013 - 17...   Mon, 15 Apr 2013 - 10:01
- - bama   what about TS ?   Mon, 15 Apr 2013 - 20:16
- - Decado   I thought I'd send an email to the Maritime Mu...   Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 13:12
|- - Broadsman   QUOTE (Decado @ Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 14...   Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 15:26
- - Jlc   So it IS a penalty then. Whoops! I suggest y...   Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 13:38
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Jlc @ Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 14:3...   Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 14:01
|- - Jlc   QUOTE (Decado @ Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 15...   Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 15:22
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Jlc @ Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 16:2...   Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 15:34
- - bama   QUOTE as we are required by our planning permissio...   Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 16:00
|- - Decado   QUOTE (bama @ Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 17...   Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 16:07
|- - dp7   QUOTE (Decado @ Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 17...   Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 16:24
- - bama   okay a quickie. (see http://forums.pepipoo.com/ind...   Thu, 18 Apr 2013 - 16:43
- - Decado   Success!!!!! Last Thursday I ...   Mon, 22 Apr 2013 - 08:19
- - ItchyCrakus   3 sanction points for them then.   Mon, 22 Apr 2013 - 08:51
- - Jlc   Result! Going to reply to the museum to rub i...   Mon, 22 Apr 2013 - 08:54
|- - Decado   QUOTE (Jlc @ Mon, 22 Apr 2013 - 09:5...   Mon, 22 Apr 2013 - 09:05
- - bama   Nice. Still reckon you should follow up with TS. C...   Mon, 22 Apr 2013 - 16:57
- - SchoolRunMum   Well done, that's the first Armtrac one I can ...   Tue, 23 Apr 2013 - 00:06
|- - Decado   QUOTE (SchoolRunMum @ Tue, 23 Apr 2013 ...   Tue, 23 Apr 2013 - 07:50
|- - jdh   QUOTE (Decado @ Tue, 23 Apr 2013 - 08...   Tue, 23 Apr 2013 - 08:13
- - Broadsman   But do they have to pay their £27 + VAT when they...   Tue, 23 Apr 2013 - 17:26
- - hoohoo   The OP said their POPLA appeal was 'due on the...   Tue, 23 Apr 2013 - 17:35
|- - Decado   QUOTE (hoohoo @ Tue, 23 Apr 2013 - 18...   Wed, 24 Apr 2013 - 20:35
- - swellchaser   They could always 'appeal'.....   Tue, 23 Apr 2013 - 17:55
- - Jack155   I have been reading this forum with interest since...   Thu, 9 May 2013 - 18:02
|- - nigelbb   QUOTE (Jack155 @ Thu, 9 May 2013 - 19...   Thu, 9 May 2013 - 18:19
- - bama   seconded. very interesting to see the algorithm.   Fri, 10 May 2013 - 07:19


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