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youreds91
post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 12:35
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This is a guy on YouTube who has quite clearly got a grudge against the Police.

https://crimebodge.com/

His grudge started here https://crimebodge.com/the-story-behind-this-website/

I make no comment on his videos in general, but he has been arrested & charged for saying the words "No s**t" to a PC.

The initial video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI21dL0qGrI

Follow up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id_JSgSlSL8&t=

Comments? He's obviously been getting under their skin for a while. Is it really in the public interest to haul him into court for this?

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post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 12:51
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There’s case law that a PC can’t be harassed alarmed or distressed for a s 5 POA offence - so it’d have to be more than that to proceed.


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cp8759
post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 13:22
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To interview someone under caution for a section 5 offence seems disproportionate to begin with, to send a PC to the guy's house seems a complete waste of police time. A Penalty Notice for Disorder would be quite sufficient.

The warrant also seems odd, as the police say they have the evidence why wouldn't the prosecution just prove the case in the defendant's absence? That would normally be the case for a non-imprisonable offence (and we know it's unlikely to be a warrant for non-payment of fines as those would usually be enforced by HMCTS officers rather than the police, unless there's violence markers or some other reason why the police need to enforce it).

Having said that, the police don't tend to harass you if you avoid having a "public disagreement" with a public servant of any description. If there is a genuine complaint, a written complaint to the relevant organisation is far more effective.

Of course the trouble we have here is we're only hearing one side of the story.


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post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 14:18
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 13:22) *
Having said that, the police don't tend to harass you if you avoid having a "public disagreement" with a public servant of any description. If there is a genuine complaint, a written complaint to the relevant organisation is far more effective.


You forgot to add that if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.


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post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:23
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QUOTE (andy_foster @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 14:18) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 13:22) *
Having said that, the police don't tend to harass you if you avoid having a "public disagreement" with a public servant of any description. If there is a genuine complaint, a written complaint to the relevant organisation is far more effective.


You forgot to add that if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.

The main point I was making is that even if the grievance is genuine and well founded, arguing with a public servant on the street, who likely has little to no decision making powers, is mostly pointless. Making a formal complaint through the proper channels on the other hand can see processes, procedures or whatever else actually being changed.


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post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:36
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:23) *
The main point I was making is that even if the grievance is genuine and well founded, arguing with a public servant on the street, who likely has little to no decision making powers, is mostly pointless. Making a formal complaint through the proper channels on the other hand can see processes, procedures or whatever else actually being changed.

Yes but any front line public servant should be able to act professionally, which mostly means ignoring unreasonable people.

If I had a quid for every time I got grief for failings of the entire NHS I'd be rich, right up to someone kicking off because there was no one in the kitchen to make them apple pie at 7.30pm. Smile and nod.

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post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:39
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 12:51) *
There’s case law that a PC can’t be harassed alarmed or distressed for a s 5 POA offence - so it’d have to be more than that to proceed.

I think that’s a bit of a simplification, but yes for a comment of no 5h1t I’d agree. My understanding from that case is that a PC can’t use S5 for something he would hear on a near daily basis.

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QUOTE (andy_foster @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 14:18) *
You forgot to add that if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.

That hardly translates into letting a PC into your house no matter the circumstances. I'm sure that 99% of the time if a copper turned up at my house I'd invite them in and offer them a cup of tea, but if I'm busy or don't like their attitude I'd likely ask them to send me a letter or return by appointment.

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There’s case law that a PC can’t be harassed alarmed or distressed for a s 5 POA offence - so it’d have to be more than that to proceed.

I think that’s a bit of a simplification, but yes for a comment of no 5h1t I’d agree. My understanding from that case is that a PC can’t use S5 for something he would hear on a near daily basis.

I agree, but again the fact that a warrant was issued suggests there's more to it. Had it just been a no sh!t comment, I would have expected a conviction in absence.


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post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 18:36
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:39) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 12:51) *
There’s case law that a PC can’t be harassed alarmed or distressed for a s 5 POA offence - so it’d have to be more than that to proceed.

I think that’s a bit of a simplification, but yes for a comment of no 5h1t I’d agree. My understanding from that case is that a PC can’t use S5 for something he would hear on a near daily basis.

Was there a need for the explanation to be more complicated or are you just rolling the dice and hoping you’re showing off some knowledge?


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post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 18:56
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It was your definitive “can’t” I thought inaccurate, ‘wouldn’t normally’ perhaps, sorry, no offence intended.


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post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 19:47
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:36) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:23) *
.... arguing with a public servant on the street...

.......Yes but any front line public servant should be able to act professionally, which mostly means ignoring unreasonable people......


Police Officers are Crown Servants and not public Servants, big difference.
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post Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 22:01
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QUOTE (Dean123 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 19:47) *
Police Officers are Crown Servants and not public Servants, big difference.

Not really, they're paid out of public funds.


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post Tue, 27 Nov 2018 - 21:56
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 22:01) *
QUOTE (Dean123 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 19:47) *
Police Officers are Crown Servants and not public Servants, big difference.

Not really, they're paid out of public funds.


I'm sure those Crown Servants disagree as they do not get the benefits of being employed like actual public servants.
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post Tue, 27 Nov 2018 - 22:24
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QUOTE (Dean123 @ Tue, 27 Nov 2018 - 21:56) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 22:01) *
QUOTE (Dean123 @ Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 19:47) *
Police Officers are Crown Servants and not public Servants, big difference.

Not really, they're paid out of public funds.


I'm sure those Crown Servants disagree as they do not get the benefits of being employed like actual public servants.

And that’s relevant to the topic at hand because...?


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post Mon, 3 Dec 2018 - 08:24
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