Crimebodge arrested |
Crimebodge arrested |
Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 12:35
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Member Group: Members Posts: 401 Joined: 4 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,070 |
This is a guy on YouTube who has quite clearly got a grudge against the Police.
https://crimebodge.com/ His grudge started here https://crimebodge.com/the-story-behind-this-website/ I make no comment on his videos in general, but he has been arrested & charged for saying the words "No s**t" to a PC. The initial video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI21dL0qGrI Follow up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id_JSgSlSL8&t= Comments? He's obviously been getting under their skin for a while. Is it really in the public interest to haul him into court for this? |
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 12:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,634 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
There’s case law that a PC can’t be harassed alarmed or distressed for a s 5 POA offence - so it’d have to be more than that to proceed.
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 13:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
To interview someone under caution for a section 5 offence seems disproportionate to begin with, to send a PC to the guy's house seems a complete waste of police time. A Penalty Notice for Disorder would be quite sufficient.
The warrant also seems odd, as the police say they have the evidence why wouldn't the prosecution just prove the case in the defendant's absence? That would normally be the case for a non-imprisonable offence (and we know it's unlikely to be a warrant for non-payment of fines as those would usually be enforced by HMCTS officers rather than the police, unless there's violence markers or some other reason why the police need to enforce it). Having said that, the police don't tend to harass you if you avoid having a "public disagreement" with a public servant of any description. If there is a genuine complaint, a written complaint to the relevant organisation is far more effective. Of course the trouble we have here is we're only hearing one side of the story. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 14:18
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 24,220 Joined: 9 Sep 2004 From: Reading Member No.: 1,624 |
Having said that, the police don't tend to harass you if you avoid having a "public disagreement" with a public servant of any description. If there is a genuine complaint, a written complaint to the relevant organisation is far more effective. You forgot to add that if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. -------------------- Andy
Some people think that I make them feel stupid. To be fair, they deserve most of the credit. |
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Having said that, the police don't tend to harass you if you avoid having a "public disagreement" with a public servant of any description. If there is a genuine complaint, a written complaint to the relevant organisation is far more effective. You forgot to add that if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. The main point I was making is that even if the grievance is genuine and well founded, arguing with a public servant on the street, who likely has little to no decision making powers, is mostly pointless. Making a formal complaint through the proper channels on the other hand can see processes, procedures or whatever else actually being changed. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,306 Joined: 4 Mar 2017 Member No.: 90,659 |
The main point I was making is that even if the grievance is genuine and well founded, arguing with a public servant on the street, who likely has little to no decision making powers, is mostly pointless. Making a formal complaint through the proper channels on the other hand can see processes, procedures or whatever else actually being changed. Yes but any front line public servant should be able to act professionally, which mostly means ignoring unreasonable people. If I had a quid for every time I got grief for failings of the entire NHS I'd be rich, right up to someone kicking off because there was no one in the kitchen to make them apple pie at 7.30pm. Smile and nod. |
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,261 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
There’s case law that a PC can’t be harassed alarmed or distressed for a s 5 POA offence - so it’d have to be more than that to proceed. I think that’s a bit of a simplification, but yes for a comment of no 5h1t I’d agree. My understanding from that case is that a PC can’t use S5 for something he would hear on a near daily basis. This post has been edited by The Rookie: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:40 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 17:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
You forgot to add that if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. That hardly translates into letting a PC into your house no matter the circumstances. I'm sure that 99% of the time if a copper turned up at my house I'd invite them in and offer them a cup of tea, but if I'm busy or don't like their attitude I'd likely ask them to send me a letter or return by appointment. There’s case law that a PC can’t be harassed alarmed or distressed for a s 5 POA offence - so it’d have to be more than that to proceed. I think that’s a bit of a simplification, but yes for a comment of no 5h1t I’d agree. My understanding from that case is that a PC can’t use S5 for something he would hear on a near daily basis. I agree, but again the fact that a warrant was issued suggests there's more to it. Had it just been a no sh!t comment, I would have expected a conviction in absence. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 18:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,634 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
There’s case law that a PC can’t be harassed alarmed or distressed for a s 5 POA offence - so it’d have to be more than that to proceed. I think that’s a bit of a simplification, but yes for a comment of no 5h1t I’d agree. My understanding from that case is that a PC can’t use S5 for something he would hear on a near daily basis. Was there a need for the explanation to be more complicated or are you just rolling the dice and hoping you’re showing off some knowledge? -------------------- Moderator
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 18:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,261 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
It was your definitive “can’t” I thought inaccurate, ‘wouldn’t normally’ perhaps, sorry, no offence intended.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 19:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25 Joined: 1 Apr 2015 Member No.: 76,562 |
.... arguing with a public servant on the street... .......Yes but any front line public servant should be able to act professionally, which mostly means ignoring unreasonable people...... Police Officers are Crown Servants and not public Servants, big difference. |
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Mon, 26 Nov 2018 - 22:01
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Police Officers are Crown Servants and not public Servants, big difference. Not really, they're paid out of public funds. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 27 Nov 2018 - 21:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25 Joined: 1 Apr 2015 Member No.: 76,562 |
Police Officers are Crown Servants and not public Servants, big difference. Not really, they're paid out of public funds. I'm sure those Crown Servants disagree as they do not get the benefits of being employed like actual public servants. |
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Tue, 27 Nov 2018 - 22:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,634 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
Police Officers are Crown Servants and not public Servants, big difference. Not really, they're paid out of public funds. I'm sure those Crown Servants disagree as they do not get the benefits of being employed like actual public servants. And that’s relevant to the topic at hand because...? -------------------- Moderator
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Mon, 3 Dec 2018 - 08:24
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