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Should you wait in hatchings to turn right?, Council say... maybe
notmeatloaf
post Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 10:39
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Bit of advice needed.

The council have recently remarked a junction on my commute where you have to turn right around a blind bend from this

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6398665,-...3312!8i6656

to this (i.e. break in hatchings removed)



At first I thought it was a mistake so emailed the council but they said

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I have discussed the situation with my manager, there is an outstanding order for the hatching to be refurbished at which time the hatching through the junction will be made continous, vehicles (including cyclists) should not enter the area unless it is necessary and they can see that it is safe to do so.


So, have they screwed up? If you wish to turn right here is it safe & necessary to wait in the hatchings, or should you wait in the lane and have reduced visibility because of the bend?

A couple of people have suggested going further around the corner and turning there but having tried it people start accelerating out and, on a push bike without brake lights tend not to expect you to turn at that point.

I am tending towards waiting in the hatchings but people coming around the corner from the other direction tend to cut the corner, and I wonder whether insurance companies would drag their feet if you were knocked off whilst waiting to turn right.

(The most annoying part in all of this is this route is one of the council's "super routes", top priority cycle route, but they have steadily made the junction worse for cyclists.)
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post Mon, 26 Feb 2018 - 12:46
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Mon, 26 Feb 2018 - 11:59) *
QUOTE (micaRoss @ Mon, 26 Feb 2018 - 08:32) *
Any vehicle cutting the corner would be automatically at fault.

There’s no such concept as automatic fault in such circumstances. The vehicle cutting the corner may be at fault but it would be determined on common law negligence principles. Mechanical defect, injury or illness of the driver, intervening 3rd party etc would all defeat you “automatic fault” argument.


Plus being on hatchings that signify an area where you should not be so as much "at fault" as a driver cutting the corner.

IMO the hatchings make some sort of sense for a car.
But do leave cyclists between devil and the deep blue sea
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notmeatloaf
post Mon, 26 Feb 2018 - 15:26
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My worry is having had a friend knocked off their bike and concussed by an American driving the wrong way through a junction, and seeing the insurance company drag their feet on that pushing them deep into overdraft I don't want to be right but also concussed in bed.

My impression is cyclist = no representation = worth dragging things out.
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post Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 03:45
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Join British Cycling then, includes 3rd party cover for you an legal support if you are the innocent party.

Can be used as a comeback when those retard motorists say you don't pay for tax and insurance.


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post Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 09:44
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 03:45) *
Join British Cycling then, includes 3rd party cover for you an legal support if you are the innocent party.

Can be used as a comeback when those retard motorists say you don't pay for tax and insurance.

Legal cover is no win, no fee that you can get for free anyway.

In many thousands of miles cycling I have been hit by cars several times not at fault but all my at fault accidents have only inflicted road rash and a broken bone. I think it must be fairly difficult to do significant third party damage. I would imagine that is why it is a "freebie" with membership.

Not really bothered about motorists who think it is a plus that running a car is so bloody expensive. I am of course immensely grateful for the extra tax they pay whilst my hot cross bun fuel at work is tax free.

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post Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 09:52
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I am of course immensely grateful for the extra tax they pay whilst my hot cross bun fuel at work is tax free.

I have some really bad news for you, then. biggrin.gif


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post Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 09:53
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 09:52) *
QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 09:44) *
I am of course immensely grateful for the extra tax they pay whilst my hot cross bun fuel at work is tax free.

I have some really bad news for you, then. biggrin.gif
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43199598

You are doomed.

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post Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 10:09
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I'll just start having a lovely cup of hot petrol instead then. Milk no sugar - I'm sweet enough.

Anyone know if you can microwave it, or if I need to stick it in the oven for a bit?

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post Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 10:14
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Tue, 27 Feb 2018 - 10:09) *
I'll just start having a lovely cup of hot petrol instead then. Milk no sugar - I'm sweet enough.

Anyone know if you can microwave it, or if I need to stick it in the oven for a bit?


Avoid diesel, the emissions are anti social.
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