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Green lanes PCN back wheels in box junction
cuttingman
post Tue, 9 Jan 2018 - 20:04
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Hi all, do you think I can appeal this?

I saw the cars in front had space to move, but they all stopped with big gaps and I ended up with my back wheels on the box junction. I should of gone bumper to bumper and I would of been ok. I didn't block anyone and cars coming out of the left road had more than ample room to turn right (if a car had been turning then the camera wouldn't have even been able to see my wheels on the box junction).

Video shows me stopped for 20 seconds. Shows me entering, but not leaving the box.

Thanks for reading. Images of PCN and car.

https://ibb.co/gVc8Wm
https://ibb.co/fMZSP6
https://ibb.co/ehFTWm

Video: https://streamable.com/jqg8d

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post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 11:45
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QUOTE (cuttingman @ Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 09:21) *
Thanks PASTMYBEST, below is what I said in my appeal, not sure how to explain your point about will/may for the tribunal.

1. I understand that discretion can be applied where a driver has a reasonable judgement that there was space for all cars to clear the box in normal traffic flow. When approaching the box junction I could see that there was sufficient space for the 3 cars in front and myself to exit. But then these cars stopped early with very big gaps between themselves as can be seen in the photo. Therefore I was forced to stop where I did.
2. I judged that I had exited the box junction as I could see I was not causing any obstruction to the side road (Spencer Avenue).
3. It is also evident that if a vehicle was not able to exit Spencer Avenue I had further space to move forward and that I could have sounded my horn for the cars in front to move further forward too.
4. I am also not satisfied this box junction meets the regulations because it is clearly longer than the width of the side road by over a metre on both north and south ends. And that the north west corner is obscured by being painted over by the bus lane markings.
5. The infringement is so minimal as my vehicle is covering less than 15% of the road markings, the fact the markings are longer than necessary and that I still had space to move forward would make this a case of de minimis (the law does not concern itself with trifles).
In conclusion I did not do the alleged contravention and that if you wish to proceed this further you are legally required to satisfactorily reply to my representations.


I'm confused. this appears to be written with the council as the recipient but it would be to the tribunal. please confirm which.
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cuttingman
post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 12:55
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That was my reps to the council, need to know how to change them for the tribunal, thanks.
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post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 14:11
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QUOTE (cuttingman @ Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 12:55) *
That was my reps to the council, need to know how to change them for the tribunal, thanks.



Ok bump Monday if nothing over the weekend, i will put some ideas together
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cuttingman
post Mon, 19 Feb 2018 - 09:31
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 14:11) *
QUOTE (cuttingman @ Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 12:55) *
That was my reps to the council, need to know how to change them for the tribunal, thanks.



Ok bump Monday if nothing over the weekend, i will put some ideas together


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PASTMYBEST
post Mon, 19 Feb 2018 - 21:31
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Ok with you.

i need to write a bit of a story, and then include the technical bit. Also there are a couple of errors on the Notice of rejection that could easily see this cancelled on their own.

I will draft something in the morning
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post Fri, 2 Mar 2018 - 10:14
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Mon, 19 Feb 2018 - 21:31) *
Ok with you.

i need to write a bit of a story, and then include the technical bit. Also there are a couple of errors on the Notice of rejection that could easily see this cancelled on their own.

I will draft something in the morning


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