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unclesam
post Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 13:42
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My sister got a speeding ticket last week, but rather than accepting it, she wrote back stating it was driven a fictional person from abroad. When I found out, I was so angry with her actions, but in her defence, she is very young and still immature (but that obviously does not excuse her actions).

The offence occurred on the 12th of this month, she got the ticket in the post on the 19th, which she replied to by sending the form back via email on the 20th. She has now got a follow-up letter (received on the 24th) asking for more information about the fake driver (this is when she came to me)..............

Given that it has been a very short time since the offence (less than 2 weeks) is there any way she can now accept she is the driver without mentioning the made-up individual? I just don't want her to have a criminal record as she is still young and has her whole life ahead of her and this stupid mistake could cost her dearly sad.gif

I would be grateful if people could just give me constructive guidance as I am fully aware of what a doughnut she is.
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post Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 13:59
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A doughnut indeed, you might like to show her THIS newspaper report, and actually the couple were lucky not to be jailed.

I suggest a very brief letter along the lines of "having given this matter further thought, I now realise that it was in fact myself who was driving on the occasion in question" The police have been known to ask for the nomination to be reconsidered when they realise it was wrong for whatever reason, and with luck there should be no further consequences.


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unclesam
post Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 14:04
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QUOTE (Logician @ Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 13:59) *
A doughnut indeed, you might like to show her THIS newspaper report, and actually the couple were lucky not to be jailed.

I suggest a very brief letter along the lines of "having given this matter further thought, I now realise that it was in fact myself who was driving on the occasion in question" The police have been known to ask for the nomination to be reconsidered when they realise it was wrong for whatever reason, and with luck there should be no further consequences.


thanks for that.

But what do you mean by The police have been known to ask for the nomination to be reconsidered when they realise it was wrong for whatever reason ?
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post Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 14:07
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QUOTE (unclesam @ Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 13:42) *
My sister got a speeding ticket last week, but rather than accepting it, she wrote back stating it was driven a fictional person from abroad. When I found out, I was so angry with her actions, but in her defence, she is very young and still immature (but that obviously does not excuse her actions).

The offence occurred on the 12th of this month, she got the ticket in the post on the 19th, which she replied to by sending the form back via email on the 20th. She has now got a follow-up letter (received on the 24th) asking for more information about the fake driver (this is when she came to me)..............

Given that it has been a very short time since the offence (less than 2 weeks) is there any way she can now accept she is the driver without mentioning the made-up individual? I just don't want her to have a criminal record as she is still young and has her whole life ahead of her and this stupid mistake could cost her dearly sad.gif

I would be grateful if people could just give me constructive guidance as I am fully aware of what a doughnut she is.


Others will advise on the wisdom of this but all I can think of is to reply saying she has given it more thought and , without going in to detail as that might well make things worse .that she was the driver and hope for the best The alternative is to confess to what she said before but that route would be fraught with danger depending on how the Police deal with it .
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QUOTE (unclesam @ Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 14:04) *
But what do you mean by The police have been known to ask for the nomination to be reconsidered when they realise it was wrong for whatever reason ?


It means they don't believe the first version of events
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post Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 14:11
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QUOTE (unclesam @ Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 14:04) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 13:59) *
A doughnut indeed, you might like to show her THIS newspaper report, and actually the couple were lucky not to be jailed. I suggest a very brief letter along the lines of "having given this matter further thought, I now realise that it was in fact myself who was driving on the occasion in question" The police have been known to ask for the nomination to be reconsidered when they realise it was wrong for whatever reason, and with luck there should be no further consequences.
thanks for that. But what do you mean by The police have been known to ask for the nomination to be reconsidered when they realise it was wrong for whatever reason ?


I mean that if for instance they receive details of a woman as the driver and they can see from a photograph that it appears to be a man driving they may ask for the nomination to be reconsidered. If they are then given the name of a man they are likely simply to accept that and carry on, not investigate a possible case of attempting to pervert the course of justice. Of course in that example it is somewhat easier to pass it off as a simple mistake than the invention of a fictitious foreigner.



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post Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 14:23
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Do you know the speed and limit?


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post Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 15:00
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As above, a simple correction and its likely the Police will accept it and just move on, if you doesn't add a simple correction, when they inevitably find out they won't.

Not to labour a point but hopefully she now realises just how stupid she has been as a prison sentence is all but certain for the offence of attempting to pervert the course of justice, even if that is suspended it has serious implications for the rest of your life (you can forget going to the USA for a long time for example)
An example https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/11/...hne-vicky-pryce


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post Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 15:45
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 14:23) *
Do you know the speed and limit?


Yes she was doing 58 in a 50 road.
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post Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 15:55
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Which would normally be eligible for an awareness course, no points, £90-105 and half a day of her time.........


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post Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 16:18
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 25 Jan 2018 - 15:55) *
Which would normally be eligible for an awareness course, no points, £90-105 and half a day of her time.........

Indeed, unless it's Scotland. But 3 points £100 worst.


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PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

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