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Illegal Registration Plate, VRM not conforming
creesteN
post Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 16:44
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Good Afternoon,

I have recently received a traffic offence report for the reason of offence code 400, VRM not conforming. Let me explain the situation first:

  • I have arrived at a council, public access, free to use (at that time of the day) car park. I met my friend there and parked beside him. The place was known for various car meets which have been shut down by the local police and council. No event was happening that evening. With only me, and my friend being there in the other car, we have been chatting outside our cars for a few minutes. Two foot police show up; they write our registration down. I question it, they say they have no issue with us, it's only for the record if there is any antisocial behaviour. They told us we can stay.
  • 10 minutes later, a marked police car shows up, tells us to leave with no discussions as there is a dispersal order in place. I ask if I can repark my car on the other side of the car park and stay on foot, go across the road to a shop, etc. They immediately get out and look for a reason to fine me.


I then receive a telling off about my license plate as the other officer looks for more issues (finds none). I get told to get in the car and present my ID. When I question the officer as to why I'm getting the ticket, I get the response: "VRM not conforming". I ask him to be more specific, he says - I have no stamps with BS, postcodes, etc. I tell him to check again, he comes back telling me they're not visible. I tell him they don't have to be. He then adds onto that telling me the material is not reflective (it is, I have photos of the light bouncing straight into my camera), the letters are not smooth (they are pressed), and the position is not in the middle.

I have not argued about the letters as I wasn't sure. I checked the rules, I can't see anything prohibiting it. Position, I argued, mentioning the plates on Alfa Romeo. His reason was 'it's legal because it's standard, your car doesn't come like that'. I'm not satisfied and waiting for correspondence to come from police now.

What should my course of action be? I can send photographs if required.

Thanks!

This post has been edited by creesteN: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 16:46
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- creesteN   Illegal Registration Plate   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 16:44
- - peterguk   Let's see pictures of the plate. Either it co...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 16:48
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (peterguk @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 16...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 16:57
|- - peterguk   There seems to be two issues here. 1) plate visib...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 21:40
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (peterguk @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 21...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 22:11
|- - peterguk   QUOTE (creesteN @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 22...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 22:23
- - Jlc   Indeed, it's fairly binary. Some info here. ...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 16:50
- - Jlc   I would say your key issue is whether the plate wa...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:05
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (Jlc @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:0...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:07
- - southpaw82   I can't see how that complies with the visibil...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:12
- - NewJudge   QUOTE (Jlc @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:0...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:19
- - southpaw82   Regulation 6 of The Road Vehicles (Display of Regi...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:24
- - peterguk   So front plate not in it's original position. ...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:31
|- - Jlc   QUOTE (peterguk @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:33
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (peterguk @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:37
|- - peterguk   QUOTE (creesteN @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:45
- - NewJudge   Snapping a few photos won't really help. You n...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:50
- - creesteN   Photo from roughly 22m (+/- 2) and 45 degrees off ...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 17:53
- - The Rookie   From the centreline of the plate (not the car) you...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 18:01
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 1...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 18:13
|- - southpaw82   QUOTE (creesteN @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 18...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 18:36
- - Jlc   It's the 'easily distinguishable' part...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 18:38
- - creesteN   QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 1...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 18:42
|- - peterguk   QUOTE (creesteN @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 18...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 18:44
- - KH_   So from your reg plate walk 22m away (using the la...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 19:13
- - andy_foster   The worst point that the plate needs to be readabl...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 19:51
|- - KH_   QUOTE (andy_foster @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - ...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 20:03
|- - andy_foster   QUOTE (KH_ @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 20:0...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 22:24
- - bill w   Using the Advanced Search options in the Google si...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 19:56
|- - notmeatloaf   QUOTE (bill w @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 19...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 20:50
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - ...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 20:58
|- - notmeatloaf   QUOTE (creesteN @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 20...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 21:24
|- - Slick   QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - ...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 21:48
|- - notmeatloaf   QUOTE (Slick @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 21...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 22:10
|- - Slick   QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - ...   Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 12:56
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (Slick @ Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 12...   Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 15:52
- - NewJudge   QUOTE (creesteN @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 20...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 21:33
- - Churchmouse   Pressed metal numberplates can definitely be confo...   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - 22:27
|- - baroudeur   QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Thu, 16 Mar 2017 - ...   Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - 17:40
- - creesteN   Would this fine, if accepted or guilty, be on my r...   Fri, 17 Mar 2017 - 00:11
|- - peterguk   QUOTE (creesteN @ Fri, 17 Mar 2017 - 00...   Fri, 17 Mar 2017 - 00:19
|- - southpaw82   QUOTE (creesteN @ Fri, 17 Mar 2017 - 00...   Fri, 17 Mar 2017 - 00:32
- - Logician   It will not be on your Driving Licence record at t...   Fri, 17 Mar 2017 - 01:13
- - Mat_Shamus   My pressed plates are only single row and in the s...   Fri, 17 Mar 2017 - 03:11
- - NewJudge   Why don't you try this as a "starter for ...   Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 18:16
|- - peterguk   QUOTE (NewJudge @ Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 18...   Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 18:23
- - southpaw82   I'm always amused at how threads such at this ...   Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 18:18
- - bill w   Unless I've missed it somewhere, no-one's ...   Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 21:08
|- - peterguk   QUOTE (bill w @ Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 21...   Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 21:17
- - GM71   Using the trigonometry calculation area provided b...   Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 23:32
|- - peterguk   QUOTE (GM71 @ Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 23...   Sat, 18 Mar 2017 - 23:43
- - creesteN   To put an end to the speculations, I will check ex...   Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - 03:40
|- - southpaw82   QUOTE (creesteN @ Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - 03...   Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - 12:05
|- - andy_foster   QUOTE (creesteN @ Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - 03...   Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - 14:23
|- - southpaw82   QUOTE (andy_foster @ Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - ...   Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - 16:13
- - Jlc   You will have to wait and see what they issue. (I...   Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - 09:36
|- - Churchmouse   QUOTE (Jlc @ Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - 09:3...   Sun, 19 Mar 2017 - 12:26
- - roythebus   The number plate does not comply with the layout a...   Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 11:24
|- - bm1957   QUOTE (roythebus @ Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 11...   Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 11:50
||- - io1901   Isn't the BS AU 145d(a) standard required to...   Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 12:28
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (roythebus @ Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 11...   Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 14:25
|- - baroudeur   QUOTE (roythebus @ Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 12...   Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 17:30
- - creesteN   The non endorsable penalty of 100 gbp has arrived ...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 13:13
- - southpaw82   If you're guilty pay it. If not, don't. If...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 13:25
- - Logician   Be aware that if you decide to defend the matter i...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 14:13
- - creesteN   That's where you guys are very helpful to me. ...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 14:52
|- - Jlc   QUOTE (creesteN @ Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 15...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 15:37
|- - baroudeur   QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 16:37...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 16:46
||- - peterguk   QUOTE (baroudeur @ Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 17...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 17:13
|||- - bill w   QUOTE (peterguk @ Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 17...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 20:24
||||- - notmeatloaf   QUOTE (bill w @ Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 21...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 21:09
||||- - bill w   QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 2...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 21:36
|||- - io1901   QUOTE (peterguk @ Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 18...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 09:09
|||- - samthecat   QUOTE (io1901 @ Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 10...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 09:24
||- - Logician   QUOTE (baroudeur @ Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 17...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 23:26
||- - creesteN   QUOTE (Logician @ Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 00...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 23:38
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 16:37...   Wed, 5 Apr 2017 - 22:39
- - The Rookie   With a prepared defence yes, there is a statement ...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 04:55
- - Gan   Your original post dated 16 March said that you ha...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 07:35
|- - The Rookie   QUOTE (Gan @ Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 08:35...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 08:51
- - Gan   Thanks I read that he asked why he was getting th...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 09:04
- - mickR   QUOTE (io1901 @ Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 10...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 09:30
- - bill w   A slightly off the wall thought, and I don't k...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 09:34
- - baroudeur   Plates are subject to http://www.legislation.gov.u...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 13:53
|- - bill w   QUOTE (baroudeur @ Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 14...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 16:10
- - localdriver   From DVLA Bulletin 21/11 'Nothing in BS AU 145...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 14:20
- - creesteN   All this aside, how can they prove to me that the ...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 20:23
|- - 666   QUOTE (creesteN @ Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 21...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 20:49
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (666 @ Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 21:49...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 21:00
|- - Logician   QUOTE (creesteN @ Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 22...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 23:07
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (Logician @ Fri, 7 Apr 2017 - 00...   Thu, 6 Apr 2017 - 23:39
- - Logician   You write back to the address given, saying someth...   Fri, 7 Apr 2017 - 00:58
- - creesteN   I've messaged the seller on ebay as to why he ...   Fri, 7 Apr 2017 - 21:14
- - andy_foster   If sufficient evidence is adduced to enable the co...   Fri, 7 Apr 2017 - 21:18
- - IanJohnsonWS14   Don't get hung up I one issue until you know ...   Sat, 8 Apr 2017 - 07:43
|- - Churchmouse   QUOTE (IanJohnsonWS14 @ Sat, 8 Apr 2017 ...   Sat, 8 Apr 2017 - 08:52
||- - IanJohnsonWS14   QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Sat, 8 Apr 2017 - 0...   Mon, 10 Apr 2017 - 07:36
||- - Fredd   QUOTE (IanJohnsonWS14 @ Mon, 10 Apr 2017 ...   Mon, 10 Apr 2017 - 07:47
|- - creesteN   QUOTE (IanJohnsonWS14 @ Sat, 8 Apr 2017 ...   Sat, 8 Apr 2017 - 16:01
- - baroudeur   This is the link referred to in post 86 https://...   Mon, 10 Apr 2017 - 13:55
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