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Kennyboy
post Sat, 24 Feb 2018 - 10:32
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Hi, I have received a PCN for a no right turn, in the photographic and video evidence it shows me turning right but no right turn signs are visible, I have since visited the area and the no right turn signs are on the left hand side of the road and easy to miss, as there are no visible signs on the photos should I challenge on that point?
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Kennyboy
post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 20:09
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I haven't heard back from the council yet but am not expecting any joy, should I risk taking this all the way, I feel by looking at all your feedback I could be in with a shot
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post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 20:12
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your choice, stick or twist.

I think you should win, but who knows?
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post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 20:20
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QUOTE (4101 @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 19:57) *
the pcn is bad IMHO, it should say:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

"fails to comply with an indication given by a scheduled section 36 traffic sign."

which translate in plain english to

"Failure to comply with an indication given by a traffic sign - No Right Turn"

would do nicely.


It might need to say that if sign (612) was a section 36 sign This Op might have a chance but not if given advise like that


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post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 20:25
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 20:20) *
QUOTE (4101 @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 19:57) *
the pcn is bad IMHO, it should say:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

"fails to comply with an indication given by a scheduled section 36 traffic sign."

which translate in plain english to

"Failure to comply with an indication given by a traffic sign - No Right Turn"

would do nicely.


It might need to say that if sign (612) was a section 36 sign This Op might have a chance but not if given advise like that



What are you babbling about?
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PASTMYBEST
post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 20:33
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QUOTE (4101 @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 20:25) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 20:20) *
QUOTE (4101 @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 19:57) *
the pcn is bad IMHO, it should say:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

"fails to comply with an indication given by a scheduled section 36 traffic sign."

which translate in plain english to

"Failure to comply with an indication given by a traffic sign - No Right Turn"

would do nicely.


It might need to say that if sign (612) was a section 36 sign This Op might have a chance but not if given advise like that



What are you babbling about?


I'm not babbling TSRGD 2016 schedule 3 part 2 item 7 Part 4 reg 1 does not apply to this sign. London regs do not make it otherwise.

One thing that wins regularly at tribunal is the wording of the PCN. It mis-describes the time by which the council may serve a charge cert


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post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 21:01
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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/36...e/3/part/2/made

What is it you are trying to say?

All that schedule does is show the sign and its sizes.
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post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 22:47
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QUOTE (4101 @ Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 17:59) *
.......Google traffic signs guidance chap 3.

Well now.
I must be thick cos I've been checking through C3 and cannot see where it says there should be two No Right turn signs.
Found a pretty diagram, 4.4 that shows a pair, one on each side of the road.
Trouble is the accompanying writing only talks of singular signs and even speaks of omitting altogether in some circumstances (not the one here BTW)

So please share, point us to the exact section you are suggesting that the OP relies on ?
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post Sun, 25 Feb 2018 - 23:20
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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/schedule/3/enacted

SCHEDULE 3
Scheduled traffic signs for the purposes of section 4 (penalty charges for road traffic contraventions) of this Act

Basically a list of traffic signs that can be used to sign restrictions that are liable to decriminalised enforcement. Naught to do with section 36 or RTA 1988 .


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