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cnwazu
post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 13:42
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Hi guys, I was driving for about 100 yards and realised I was missing a key so I stopped the car and started checking the car and then I started checking the street. I got out of the car for less than two minutes while I was looking for the key on the street. I then looked up and saw a man standing in front of my car taking pictures of it. I was on my way to attend to a vulnerable adult as part of my job when it happened.

I checked the tfl website just now and it says £65 is due. I haven't seen this kind of ticket before. Is it valid? Is there any way of clearing this?





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stamfordman
post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 13:51
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You need to pay or make an appeal now - it's a valid TFL ticket and they are very hot on these stopping contraventions. It was just 10 mins before the bay was free to park in.

The lost key story may be persuasive (keys to what?) together with your job and the short stop but TFL will probably play hardball.

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Mad Mick V
post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 14:46
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So you let him sneak up on you and fix a PCN under your wiper?

Have to come up with a better explanation for the stop. Why should your keys be on the street and not in your car?

Pay at the discount if you don't have a plausible explanation.

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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 15:13
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3(2)(b)(ii) of the appeals regs is missing this is a procedural impropriety. If an adjudicator or Tfl agree the PCN must be cancelled
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cnwazu
post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 15:32
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I panicked and stopped to check the car, then I got out and went to where I started my journey. I thought I might of dropped it when I was getting into the car 100 yards before. I saw him taking a picture so I rushed to him and told him that I had lost a key to an elderly man's home who I was caring for and was on my way to visit him as part of my job. The warden said he had to issue the ticket and I can speak to tfl to explain the story to them. He tried to give me the ticket but I refused to take it so he put it on my windscreen and took a picture as I was getting into my car as you can see from their evidence. The first picture doesn't show a ticket on the windscreen but the second picture does. Will they freeze the £65 if I make an appeal now? Why doesn't the ticket tell me how to pay like other tickets?

PASTMYBEST I just saw your message. Do you think I have a good chance of this being cancelled?
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 15:35
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please post absolutely ALL of the PCN redact only the PCN number and your registration number
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 15:40
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I only deleted the PCN number and the registration number
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 15:49
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QUOTE (cnwazu @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 16:40) *
I only deleted the PCN number and the registration number


Was there a detachable payment slip or is there anything on the reverse/
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 15:54
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I posted both sides, it's the last picture. The order got mixed up when I uploaded them
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 15:58
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Looks like it unfolds with more inside?

Apart from the PCN details you should put in a challenge about the key and why it was so important. They will probably reoffer the discount if they reject even after 14 days (which is gone now I think) but you should get something in online now while the amount is showing as £65.

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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 16:11
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QUOTE (cnwazu @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 16:54) *
I posted both sides, it's the last picture. The order got mixed up when I uploaded them


If that is all of the PCN you received then it is invalid. It is missing information required by statute

Schedule 1 (i) (the manner in which the penalty charge must be paid) of the general regulations

and regulation 3(2)(b0(ii) (but that, if a notice to owner is served notwithstanding those representations, representations against the penalty charge must be made in the form and manner and at the time specified in the notice to owner) of the appeals regs

Explain your story re the keys then a second paragraph that the PCN is invalid because these are missing

I have noticed quite a few ThL PCN appeals being allowed because they fail to submit a contemptuous copy of the PCN to the adjudicator, instead submitting a blank template stating the cannot submit a copy. I wonder
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 16:53
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 16:58) *
Looks like it unfolds with more inside?

You're right



QUOTE (stamfordman @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 16:58) *
Apart from the PCN details you should put in a challenge about the key and why it was so important. They will probably reoffer the discount if they reject even after 14 days (which is gone now I think) but you should get something in online now while the amount is showing as £65.

So maybe it won't freeze. Maybe I should just pay
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:33
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QUOTE (cnwazu @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:53) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 16:58) *
Looks like it unfolds with more inside?

You're right



QUOTE (stamfordman @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 16:58) *
Apart from the PCN details you should put in a challenge about the key and why it was so important. They will probably reoffer the discount if they reject even after 14 days (which is gone now I think) but you should get something in online now while the amount is showing as £65.

So maybe it won't freeze. Maybe I should just pay



All the information is there so nothing to go on other than discretion
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:50
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I would put in a challenge tonight - the pics show you in person by the car and you had a pressing reason to stop.

With a windscreen PCN you also get a second bite with the notice to owner.

You can check the status of the PCN online and if its showing £65 today it should show on hold at this while they look at your challenge.

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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 21:28
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Thanks guys.



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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 21:39
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Not the best of challenges I'm afraid - meant to say post it here first. Never mind - let's see what happens. Keep an eye on the status.
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Neil B
post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 23:27
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QUOTE (cnwazu @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:53) *
So maybe it won't freeze. Maybe I should just pay

It doesn't matter.
IF they don't re-offer the discount then you're in for £130 anyway and it can't get any worse as
long as you respond to the next notice.

So keep us updated.


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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 11 May 2018 - 12:30) *
Neil is good at working backwards.

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Mad Mick V
post Thu, 14 Sep 2017 - 07:42
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OP --- you have developed much better grounds for why you stopped and I would certainly put in a challenge. If you spoke to the CEO perhaps his notes will add weight to your compelling reasons.

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